No closer to understanding what Nephilim are (blood, salvation, Jews)

Originally Posted by 101c

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants/Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

see, these giants/Nephilim became "MIGHTY MEN". now that we know that let's concertrate on "MIGHTY MEN". the definition, H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj.
גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful.
2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.
[intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.

Technically the the word man is not in the form of the word - it is simply a mighty warrior but because humans are often associated with it it gets translated with the term men or man. But the Nephilim were the offspring of human woman and heavenly beings so their descendants became ish (men) of renown because they are part human. This is how they were known given the pre-flood cohabitation. Many on here obviously do not understand the trend in textually history to change toward a less spooky interpretation precisely because they can't handle the truth and are trending towards a more strict monotheism.

Genesis 6 is not referencing 'normal men' as nephilim - they are hybrids. You can't use the text you are trying to prove as evidence. So again where is the term nephilim used to refer to a normal sized human or the children of Israel so we can then use it to add to your silly interpretation of Gen.6?

Originally Posted by 101c

Genesis 6 said these Nephilim/Giants H5307 נָפַל naphal "BECAME" known as "Mighty Men", H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj.
גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful.
2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.

it's all there in the SAME verse.

Yes it is! You forgot this part though the nephilim are the offspring of the sons of God which are not humans as demonstrated to you from other verses. Hello!

The nephilim were mighty warriors who became known as ish (men) of renown in the minds of the normal humans (adam) because they were physically different - they were giants - that's what is behind them being mighty warriors. This is why the term hagibborim gets translated in the LXX as giants from the Hebrew term - mighty warriors.

[101c]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

Yes it is! You forgot this part though the nephilim are the offspring of the sons of God which are not humans. Hello!

The nephilim were mighty warriors who became known as ish (men) of renown in the minds of the normal humans (adam) because they were physically different - they were giants. This is why the term hagibborim gets translated in the LXX as giants.

did you not know that Adam and Eve had children in the Garden before they had Cain and Able outside the Garden. those born inside the garden are sin free, hence sons of God.

these are the one who married the women from the decedents of Adam and Eve children that was born outside the Garden.

how hard is that to understand?.

Originally Posted by 101c

did you not know that Adam and Eve had children in the Garden before they had Cain and Able outside the Garden. those born inside the garden are sin free, hence sons of God.

these are the one who married the women from the decedents of Adam and Eve children that was born outside the Garden.

how hard is that to understand?.

Yes, I knew they we born inside the garden after the curse where the tree of life was blocked. They were not sin free nor referred to as sons of God. You just made that up! And the narrative structure of Genesis 3 is a separate 'history' within the book of Genesis. There are 10 'mini' histories that each start with the heading 'This is the history of...' This one is separate. It has nothing to do with what is going on in Genesis 6. Keep ignoring the facts!

In fact in Genesis 5:1-3 we read this regarding Seth:

This is the record of the family line of Adam. When Elohim created humankind, he made them in the likeness of Elohim. He created them male and female; when they were created, he blessed them and named them “humankind.” When Adam had lived 130 years he fathered a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and he named him Seth.

The image of Seth is the marred image. These are not the sinless ones called sons of God as opposed to Cain's line. The text is telling you differently. Now tie that into Ps.82 which I quoted earlier. It can't be more clear!

[101c]

The catalogue of David's mighty men,

2 Samuel 23:8 read through to the end of the chapter.

but notice 2 Samuel 23:18 "And Abishai, the brother of Joab, the son of Zeruiah, was chief among three. And he lifted up his spear against three hundred, and slew them, and had the name among three.

Here, the "NAME" is the Hebrew word, H8034 שֵׁם shem (shame) n-m.
1. an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality.
2. (by implication) honor, authority, character.
[a primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position)]
KJV: + base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.
Root(s): H7760

did one see how it could be translated in the KJV? ..... "renown" just as in Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown".

there it is "renown" and theses men had HUMAN PARENTS.

[101c]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

In fact in Genesis 5:1-3 we read this regarding Seth:

This is the record of the family line of Adam. When Elohim created humankind, he made them in the likeness of Elohim. He created them male and female; when they were created, he blessed them and named them “humankind.” When Adam had lived 130 years he fathered a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and he named him Seth.

The image of Seth is the marred image. These are not the sinless ones called sons of God as opposed to Cains line. The text is telling you differently. Now tie that into Ps.82 which I quoted earlier. It can't be more clear!

ERROR, Cain and Abel is the fallen Image, which both were cut off. Abel by his brother, and Cain by the flood.

but to assess your Genesis 5, thank you, for the IMAGE of God is "ANOTHER" of oneself. Listen, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created".

let's see it, H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119

see, the KJV can translate this word ADAM as "ANOTHER". this is the Image of God, Spirit in Flesh.

this is the us and the OUR to come. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come".

the "HIM" to come was God in Flesh. God is another of himself in FLESH.

this is too easy.

Originally Posted by 101c

The catalogue of David's mighty men,

2 Samuel 23:8 read through to the end of the chapter.

but notice 2 Samuel 23:18 "And Abishai, the brother of Joab, the son of Zeruiah, was chief among three. And he lifted up his spear against three hundred, and slew them, and had the name among three.

Here, the "NAME" is the Hebrew word, H8034 שֵׁם shem (shame) n-m.
1. an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality.
2. (by implication) honor, authority, character.
[a primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position)]
KJV: + base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.
Root(s): H7760

did one see how it could be translated in the KJV? ..... "renown" just as in Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown".

there it is "renown" and theses men had HUMAN PARENTS.

So you still can't answer the question! No where are they called nephilim and no one is arguing against anything being translated as renown. Jeez! You are off on some irrelevant tangent. And do really think that the nephilim were carrying the name of YHWH? You have got to be kidding - he destroyed the earth because of the incident. And if they were holy men, sinless, of God following YHWH why did they fornicate (whoops marry) with the ungodly line?

Now did you realize that this term, renown, in Gen.6 is also in Ezekiel 22:5 and is speaking of wicked men.

Originally Posted by 101c

ERROR, Cain and Abel is the fallen Image, which both were cut off. Abel by his brother, and Cain by the flood.

but to assess your Genesis 5, thank you, for the IMAGE of God is "ANOTHER" of oneself. Listen, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created".

let's see it, H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119

see, the KJV can translate this word ADAM as "ANOTHER". this is the Image of God, Spirit in Flesh.

this is the us and the OUR to come. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come".

the "HIM" to come was God in Flesh. God is another of himself in FLESH.

this is too easy.

[101c]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

So you still can't answer the question! No where are they called nephilim and no one is arguing against anything being translated as renown. Jeez! You are off on some irrelevant tangent. And do really think that the nephilim were carrying the name of YHWH? You have got to be kidding - he destroyed the earth because of the incident. And if they were holy men, sinless, of God following YHWH why did they fornicate with the ungodly line?

Now did you realize that this term, renown, in Gen.6 is also in Ezekiel 22:5 and is speaking of wicked men.

One more time
#1. Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

the TERM "Giants" became "Mighty Men" how hard is that to understand. see, the term "Giants" here is H5303 נְפִיל nphiyl (nef-eel') n-m. which means nephilim
נְפִל nphil (nef-eel')
(properly) a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant.
[from H5307]
KJV: giant.

and this same word is used in Numbers 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight".

here the term "Giants"/nephilim is associated with the sons of Anak which can be trace back to HAM. a son of Noah.

Now the term "Sons of God" is the title given to sin free HUMANS. one of the best known is ADAM and Eve themselves. the man Adam is called the Son of God.

and this Man and this Woman had children in the Garden before they fell in sin. but the children they had in the GARDEN was sin free, hence the title "Sons of God".

Now that explains the Sons of God before the flood, and their children after the flood. ALL HUMAN.