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This is insane, YOU CANNOT separate the 2, as they are based off each other. All the laws in the NT are pulled right out the Torah from the OT. The NT is the fulfillment of the OT and there wasnt even a NT when Jesus and the disciples walked the earth, so until a couple hundred years later, when the RCC created what they considered to be approved, all they still had was the OT writings and the 1st century teachings.
The bible is ONE complete book of different covenants in which certain things applied to only certain groups. Proverbs alone is one of the best books in the bible, but to say all one needs is the gospels and some 1 sided letters from Paul which were based on the OT teaching is crazy.
People like Stanley is why there is 38K denominations of Christianity and why when you get around alot of his members, they cuss, get drunk and do everything just like the supposed heathens they think they are better than, because they have a weak foundation.
God from the beginnings before the cross of Christ , gave His authority in the earth to man so then God was very limited in power in the earth ..... As God gave His authority to man through Adam and then Adam sinned and gave the authority God gave Him to the devil ..................... So we see many times that God would just have man killed to reduce the power of the devil ................... So when Jesus came and took back this authority that Adam had lost , so then Jesus was raised to greatness in power so killing man to stop the devil was not needed after the cross of Jesus ............... Still there are promises which are in the old Testament that are still in the heart of God which God would honor ....
I think he's closer to traditional Christianity than that. But I do think that Christianity is becoming less and less Mosaic as time goes on. At the time the NT was written they were basically discrediting a HUGE amount of the Old Testament. They held the prophets in much higher regard, and rightly so.
The books of Moses were full of comedy and irony, never meant to be taken seriously. I would rather read the prophets any day, even the lesser parts of them.
The progressive unfolding of God's plan is contained in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. The Old Testament is about far more than the Mosaic Law. Information about the future kingdom of God on earth is contained in the Old Testament. And without understanding the Old Testament there are things in the book of Revelation you won't understand.
It's in the Old Testament that we have a vision of the Ancient of Days (God the Father) giving the Son of Man (Jesus Christ) everlasting dominion over the kingdoms of the earth (Daniel chapter 7). Both Jesus and the apostles quoted from the Old Testament. If you're not familiar with the Old Testament then how will you understand the New Testament's references to it?
There is a wealth of information in the Old Testament that Christians should be familiar with.
There is a wealth of information in the Old Testament that Christians should be familiar with.
Dividing the Spoils with the Priest
Numbers 31:25-54
25 The Lord said to Moses, 26 “You and Eleazar the priest and the family heads of the community are to count all the people and animals that were captured. 27 Divide the spoils equally between the soldiers who took part in the battle and the rest of the community. 28 From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether people, cattle, donkeys or sheep. 29 Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part. 30 From the Israelites’ half, select one out of every fifty, whether people, cattle, donkeys, sheep or other animals. Give them to the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the Lord’s tabernacle.” 31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.
32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
36The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the Lord was 675; 38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the Lord was 72; 39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the Lord was 61; 40 16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32.
41 Moses gave the tribute to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part, as the Lord commanded Moses.
42 The half belonging to the Israelites, which Moses set apart from that of the fighting men— 43 the community’s half—was 337,500 sheep, 44 36,000 cattle, 45 30,500 donkeys 46 and 16,000 people. 47 From the Israelites’ half, Moses selected one out of every fifty people and animals, as the Lord commanded him, and gave them to the Levites, who were responsible for the care of the Lord’s tabernacle.
48 Then the officers who were over the units of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—went to Moses 49 and said to him, “Your servants have counted the soldiers under our command, and not one is missing. 50 So we have brought as an offering to the Lord the gold articles each of us acquired—armlets, bracelets, signet rings, earrings and necklaces—to make atonement for ourselves before the Lord.”
51 Moses and Eleazar the priest accepted from them the gold—all the crafted articles. 52 All the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds that Moses and Eleazar presented as a gift to the Lord weighed 16,750 shekels. 53 Each soldier had taken plunder for himself. 54 Moses and Eleazar the priest accepted the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds and brought it into the tent of meeting as a memorial for the Israelites before the Lord.
And every "Christian" should be familiar with this!
The progressive unfolding of God's plan is contained in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. The Old Testament is about far more than the Mosaic Law. Information about the future kingdom of God on earth is contained in the Old Testament. And without understanding the Old Testament there are things in the book of Revelation you won't understand.
It's in the Old Testament that we have a vision of the Ancient of Days (God the Father) giving the Son of Man (Jesus Christ) everlasting dominion over the kingdoms of the earth (Daniel chapter 7). Both Jesus and the apostles quoted from the Old Testament. If you're not familiar with the Old Testament then how will you understand the New Testament's references to it?
There is a wealth of information in the Old Testament that Christians should be familiar with.
The "wealth of info" is vastly outweighed by the primitive mythology and blatant untruths.
For those who have not yet drunk deeply of the biblical Kool-Aid.
Answer: Marcionism was a religious movement based on the teachings of the 2nd-century heretic Marcion of Sinope. While none of Marcion’s writings have survived to the present, we know of his teachings through several early Christian writers including Justin Martyr (AD 100—165), Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 130—200) and Hippolytus (AD 170—235). These men combatted Marcion in defense of the truth.
Marcion held to many errant views, but he is primarily known for his belief that the Old Testament Scriptures were not authoritative for a Christian. He denied that the God of the Old Testament was the same God presented in the New Testament. For Marcion, Jesus was the Son of the God of the New Testament but not the Son of the deity described in the Hebrew Scriptures. The deities of the Old and New Testaments were, from Marcion’s perspective, literally two different gods. Marcion did not deny the existence of the god of the Old Testament (what he referred to as a Demiurge). He simply classified this god as a secondary deity, one that was inferior to the supreme God revealed in Jesus.
North Point Community Church Senior Pastor Andy Stanley has stated that Christians need to "unhitch" the Old Testament from their faith.
In the final part of a recent sermon series, Stanley explained that while he believes that the Old Testament is "divinely inspired," it should not be "the go-to source regarding any behavior in the church."
To justify this, Stanley preached last month about Acts 15, which described how the early church decided that Gentile converts did not need to strictly observe Jewish law to become Christians.
"[First century] Church leaders unhitched the church from the worldview, value system, and regulations of the Jewish scriptures," said Stanley.
"Peter, James, Paul elected to unhitch the Christian faith from their Jewish scriptures, and my friends, we must as well."
Stanley argued that it had to be done for the same reason the church in Acts 15 did so, which was so that "we must not make it difficult for those Gentiles who are turning to God."
The main thing that comes out of Acts 15 is that some Jews were teaching one must be circumcised to become a Christian. That was the only topic and it was rejected. The only thing Christians should be unhitched from the OT is the dietary laws and he ceremonial laws. We are not unhitch our self from the moral laws.
He exhibited rare common sense for the times. One of the problems of Christianity today is trying to s'plain how a mass-murdering psycho became the father of Jesus, who became his own father - or something.
That is a bigoted statement, but most of your statement about Christianity are.
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It's just silly.
Your OPINION of what is silly does not make it silly.
Thank you for confirming the accuracy of one verse in God';s inspired word:
Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man does not accept the things of the of Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them.
You condemn without having all the facts. That is what is silly.
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