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He has tunnel vision with a side of lame psychology: "Come on pcamps I thought better of you," and believes that the way he views the context is the only way it is to be viewed. That's merely asinine and foolish or absurd.
Here goes the BS again, because you HAVE NOTHING. God it's obvious by now! Pot/Kettle!
06-05-2018, 05:11 PM
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I think it is time to exit this mess and let my near 150 posts speak for themselves. I'm not here to be subjected to comments like the above or engage back in similar. Most of the people that were descent in conversation and tried to discuss the points have left the dialogue, except pcamps, but we seem to be going in circles.
I posted some after you posted. Check back at it. But this is a different set of arguments that you want to peruse now? Why are you now wanting to move onto this subject? I spent almost a 150 posts in this thread on the discussion we we're having making my case with numerous arguments and verses. And now just move on - ok. Maybe start another thread? I did not start to discuss ET - you did. I'd rather stay focused on the issue at hand but even that is played by now since no has anything else to say.
The argument for me is not the existence of the fundy hell, it is what we are saved from, scripture does not teach salvation from hell period, so why you are defending a belief that all are not saved while believing salvation is from eternal hell, your defense does not have a scriptural foundation. The only scripture i have had thrown back at me when i have challenged bible evangelical fundamentalists to give me the scriptures that back up being saved from eternal hell is "we are saved from the wrath to come", are you saying you have scriptures that they haven't seen?.
LOL. Shiloh would be added to your ever growing ignore list quicker than you could say ET if you tried putting on him half of what you believe.
That won't happen as Shiloh has thrown out Daniel 12:2 at you, which from a fundamentalists perspective means something it does not. It is difficult to let go of what you were conditioned to believe.
06-05-2018, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pcamps
The argument for me is not the existence of the fundy hell, it is what we are saved from, scripture does not teach salvation from hell period, so why you are defending a belief that all are not saved while believing salvation is from eternal hell, your defense does not have a scriptural foundation. The only scripture i have had thrown back at me when i have challenged bible evangelical fundamentalists to give me the scriptures that back up being saved from eternal hell is "we are saved from the wrath to come", are you saying you have scriptures that they haven't seen?.
I have made no attempt, but a slight one at your request to defend ET in the my most recent posts with some verses. Again salvation is dependent on context. It is a long task just go through the whole bible and show you what it refers to - Come on that's getting out of hand for the purpose in which I have been participating in this thread. My belief in ET or not does not change the points about all being saved. Not sure why you are so focused on me defending it as such?
I think it is time to exit this mess and let my near 150 posts speak for themselves. I'm not here to be subjected to comments like the above or engage back in similar. Most of the people that were descent in conversation and tried to discuss the points have left the dialogue, except pcamps, but we seem to be going in circles.
Sorry for appearing to single you out for bickering. It is never a one-sided situation. But the thing you seem particularly bent on is something that most of us who are NOT fundamentalists have no problem accepting. That you are probably correct that many of the NT writers (whoever they actually were) did not think in universalist terms but considering the CONSISTENT AND NON-CONTRADICTORY actions and views of Christ taken as a whole it is clear they were WRONG.
He has tunnel vision with a side of lame psychology: "Come on pcamps I thought better of you," and believes that the way he views the context is the only way it is to be viewed. That's merely asinine and foolish or absurd.
So did I .
I have said from my first post on this thread that our biased beliefs influence us even when there is evidence of proof to the contrary of them . My biased belief kept me from accepting the truth of universal reconciliation for close on 16 years. I saw it in a flash, but my biases would not allow me at that time to accept it. I never gave it a single thought(literally) again what i saw in a flash until i supposedly came across it accidently on the internet.
06-05-2018, 05:24 PM
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That won't happen as Shiloh has thrown out Daniel 12:2 at you, which from a fundamentalists perspective means something it does not. It is difficult to let go of what you were conditioned to believe.
Typical BS! Accuses me of being rigid in interpretation and then goes and says Daniel 12:2 can not mean how fundies interpret it.
This is exactly why you are nto worth discussing things with.
06-05-2018, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Sorry for appearing to single you out for bickering. It is never a one-sided situation. But the thing you seem particularly bent on is something that most of us who are NOT fundamentalists have no problem accepting. That you are probably correct that many of the NT writers (whoever they actually were) did not think in universalist terms but considering the CONSISTENT AND NON-CONTRADICTORY actions and views of Christ taken as a whole it is clear they were WRONG.
Well that seems to be an admission. But they are arguing that Paul is teaching universalist ideas. Why did it take you so long to see this? The same person that tells you about Christ's actions are the same person that record him saying there is a resurrection undo condemnation and that there are few who find the path of life - seems consistent to me.
That won't happen as Shiloh has thrown out Daniel 12:2 at you, which from a fundamentalists perspective means something it does not. It is difficult to let go of what you were conditioned to believe.
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Typical BS! Accuses me of being rigid in interpretation and then goes and says Daniel 12:2 can not mean how fundies interpret it.
This is exactly why you are not worth discussing things with.
I had attempted too, but you merely threw down your toy and had a tantrum.
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