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God's existence is endless. He is without beginning and without end. He lives forever. And the words used to denote His unending existence are 'olam' in Hebrew, and 'aiona' in Greek.
Wow, I hate to disclose that regarding this one point we are in agreement! He is indeed the beginning and the ending, the first and the last (and all that is in between).
"From Him the all comes, thru Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends..."
ta pante= the all (the whole enchilada in Mexican)
Wow, I hate to disclose that regarding this one point we are in agreement! He is indeed the beginning and the ending, the first and the last (and all that is in between).
"From Him the all comes, thru Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends..."
ta pante= the all (the whole enchilada in Mexican)
And yet you still will not acknowledge that in the context of Deuteronomy 32:40 the word olam is used for God's endless (eternal) existence, just as it refers to endless existence in Daniel 12:2 where olam refers to the duration of those who are resurrected.
06-07-2018, 03:45 PM
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And yet you still will not acknowledge that in the context of Deuteronomy 32:40 the word olam is used for God's endless (eternal) existence, just as it refers to endless existence in Daniel 12:2 where olam refers to the duration of those who are resurrected.
Yes. I pointed that out in post #50, but it was ignored. I'm fairly certain that one of the Universalists on the forum, once they get wind of it, will come along and try to explain it away.
And yet you still will not acknowledge that in the context of Deuteronomy 32:40 the word olam is used for God's endless (eternal) existence, just as it refers to endless existence in Daniel 12:2 where olam refers to the duration of those who are resurrected.
Sorry Mike any word that refers to our God's endless existence is one thing, trying as much as you are to demonstrate it also is a demonstration of resurrection life, will not, cannot be accepted! Again, resurrection life flows from the Source of life, the Living One, and only the Living One!
06-07-2018, 04:21 PM
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Sorry Mike any word that refers to our God's endless existence is one thing, trying as much as you are to demonstrate it also is a demonstration of resurrection life, will not, cannot be accepted! Again, resurrection life flows from the Source of life, the Living One, and only the Living One!
Here are some simple questions to answer - and answer yes or no.
Does God's life end at some time or after some age?
Does the resurrection to life end after some time or age?
Sorry Mike any word that refers to our God's endless existence is one thing, trying as much as you are to demonstrate it also is a demonstration of resurrection life, will not, cannot be accepted! Again, resurrection life flows from the Source of life, the Living One, and only the Living One!
Again Mike: This the definition for the Hebrew "olam.
עוֹלָם olam
Hebrew words used for space are also used for time. The Hebrew word qedem means "east" but is also the same word for the "past."
The Hebrew word olam literally means "beyond the horizon." When looking off in the far distance it is difficult to make out any details and what is beyond that horizon cannot be seen. This concept is the olam.
The word olam is also used for time for the distant past or the distant future as a time that is difficult to know or perceive.
This word is frequently translated as "eternity" meaning a continual span of time that never ends.
In the Hebrew mind it is simply what is at or beyond the horizon, a very distant time.
A common phrase in the Hebrew is "l'olam va'ed" and is usually translated as "forever and ever," but in the Hebrew it means "to the distant horizon and again" meaning "a very distant time and even further."
Sorry Mike any word that refers to our God's endless existence is one thing, trying as much as you are to demonstrate it also is a demonstration of resurrection life, will not, cannot be accepted! Again, resurrection life flows from the Source of life, the Living One, and only the Living One!
No one said that resurrection isn't from God. No one said that the word olam is the source of resurrection life. The word olam refers to duration. The scope of duration is determined by context.
Just as in Deuternonomy 32:40 where olam is used for the endless duration of God's life, so also in Daniel 12:2 olam is used for the duration of resurrection life which is endless. This really is not difficult to understand.
Daniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake (reference to resurrection), some to everlasting (olam) life, and some to shame and everlasting (olam) contempt.
You won't accept the fact that olam refers to everlasting life because in the same verse it also refers to everlasting contempt. And that offends your universalistic views. But it does refer to both.
You won't accept the fact that olam refers to everlasting life...
You are correct, Rose will not, repeat will not, accept the "fact" olam refers to everlasting life!
עוֹלָם olam
Hebrew words used for space are also used for time. The Hebrew word qedem means "east" but is also the same word for the "past."
The Hebrew word olam literally means "beyond the horizon." When looking off in the far distance it is difficult to make out any details and what is beyond that horizon cannot be seen. This concept is the olam.
The word olam is also used for time for the distant past or the distant future as a time that is difficult to know or perceive.
This word is frequently translated as "eternity" meaning a continual span of time that never ends.
In the Hebrew mind it is simply what is at or beyond the horizon, a very distant time.
A common phrase in the Hebrew is "l'olam va'ed" and is usually translated as "forever and ever," but in the Hebrew it means "to the distant horizon and again" meaning "a very distant time and even further."
06-07-2018, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rose2Luv
You are correct, Rose will not, repeat will not, accept the "fact" olam refers to everlasting life!
עוֹלָם olam
Hebrew words used for space are also used for time. The Hebrew word qedem means "east" but is also the same word for the "past."
The Hebrew word olam literally means "beyond the horizon." When looking off in the far distance it is difficult to make out any details and what is beyond that horizon cannot be seen. This concept is the olam.
The word olam is also used for time for the distant past or the distant future as a time that is difficult to know or perceive.
This word is frequently translated as "eternity" meaning a continual span of time that never ends.
In the Hebrew mind it is simply what is at or beyond the horizon, a very distant time.
A common phrase in the Hebrew is "l'olam va'ed" and is usually translated as "forever and ever," but in the Hebrew it means "to the distant horizon and again" meaning "a very distant time and even further."
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