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Old 06-15-2018, 02:12 PM
 
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Take this simple true or false quiz.

Ready?

Prayer is more important than mowing your widowed grandmother's lawn.

Sharing the gospel is more important than taking a meal to a new mother and father just home from the hospital.

Doing "sacred" work, such as preaching or being a missionary, is more important than "secular" work, such as accounting or being a lawyer.

If you answered "true" to any of these questions, you've been deceived by the ancient heresy of Gnosticism.

https://www.insight.org/resources/ar...h-then-and-now
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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Myth #4: Gnosticism was more favorable towards women than traditional Christianity.

This is a big one. Popular perceptions are that the orthodox Christians oppressed women, but the Gnostics liberated them. But, again, the truth is not so simple.

On the contrary, the historical evidence suggests that women flocked to traditional Christianity in droves. Indeed, they may have outnumbered the men almost two to one. Rodney Stark in his book The Triumph of Christianity argues that this is because Christianity proved to be a very welcoming, healthy, and positive environment for women.

It is also worth noting that some of the Gnostic leaders’ supposedly pro-woman stance is not all it is cracked up to be. The Valentinian Gnostic Marcus was actually known for bringing women into the movement so that he could sexually seduce them (Irenaeus, Haer. 1.13.5).

Moreover, the Gnostic view of women seemed particularly negative if one considers the final verse in the Gospel of Thomas: “For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven” (logion 114). It is hard to see this as an endorsement of women!

Myth #5: Gnosticism was more positive towards human sexuality than traditional Christianity.

A final myth about Gnosticism is that it was pro-sex and that traditional Christianity was anti-sex. In other words, Gnostics celebrated sexuality and traditional Christians were puritanical prudes.

Again, the reality is very different. While some Gnostics were quite sexually licentious (as noted above with Marcus), a large strain of the movement was utterly against sex. Indeed, much of the movement advocated a harsh asceticism and celibacy.

For example, the Book of Thomas states, “Woe unto you who love the sexual intercourse that belongs to femininity and its foul cohabitation. And woe unto you who are gripped by the authorities of your bodies; for they will afflict you.”

While many orthodox Christians certainly viewed celibacy positively, it was always regarded as voluntary. Marriage, and sex within marriage, was celebrated and viewed as a gift from God.

In sum, popular perceptions about Gnosticism are just that, popular perceptions. And thus they do not necessarily have a basis in history. As we have seen here, the real Gnosticism was very different. And it reminds us that perhaps Gnosticism failed not because it was politically oppressed by those crafty orthodox folks, but because it simply proved to be less attractive to those in the earliest centuries who were seeking to follow Christ.

https://www.michaeljkruger.com/five-...of-gnosticism/
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Old 06-16-2018, 07:05 PM
 
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No Other Gospel

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:26 PM
 
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Forbidding to marry is a doctrine of devils!!

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a red hot iron; Forbidding to marry ...."
(I Timothy 4:1-2).

"This is a TRUE saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife . . . one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection"
(I Timothy 3:1-4).
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Old 06-25-2018, 03:16 PM
 
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Really?

Was Moses a real man, Richard?

How about Adam? Eve? Abraham? Noah? Did the Exodus actually happen? Or it just a Spiritual lesson, as your go-to Rabbi has taught?
Excellent question..
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Old 06-25-2018, 03:23 PM
 
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Take this simple true or false quiz.

Ready?

Prayer is more important than mowing your widowed grandmother's lawn.

Sharing the gospel is more important than taking a meal to a new mother and father just home from the hospital.

Doing "sacred" work, such as preaching or being a missionary, is more important than "secular" work, such as accounting or being a lawyer.

If you answered "true" to any of these questions, you've been deceived by the ancient heresy of Gnosticism.

https://www.insight.org/resources/ar...h-then-and-now
What do the fundamentalists say, have they been deceived?
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Old 06-25-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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What do the fundamentalists say, have they been deceived?
many are
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:01 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK35r3onPCg
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:12 PM
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Really?

Was Moses a real man, Richard?

How about Adam? Eve? Abraham? Noah? Did the Exodus actually happen? Or it just a Spiritual lesson, as your go-to Rabbi has taught?
Oh, Richard? Paging Richard? I'd love to see you answer this.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:24 PM
 
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Which is the other gospel? The one that supports ... Satan, hell, and eternal damnation?
Or, that which says, "He was sent to be the Savior of the world," meaning ALL humanity.
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