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Old 07-14-2018, 03:28 AM
 
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will it never end.. more liberal pig potty..
they are all equal... obedience to the spirit is true Christianity.. not obedience to men or their ideas of righteousness or of their ideas of God , or good , or of what is good enough , or bad Bad or evil either !
and no one has a clue what gnostics really believed..

but what is known is
gnostics believed Jesus was spirit only and not a man in the flesh...., and thus not a real man. they have construed his genes to make him be all female.. just lots of crazy garbage..

where True Christianity says he was fully man and fully God..

a son of man with the heart mind , and seat of emotions , of the spirit of God's own right arm.
they have spiritualized the physical , and mysticized the Spiritual Side of our Savior.
and the proof of their lies God says in his word is they will claim "he did not come in the flesh.." because they beleive the demonic lies from hell.

and terms like " God spirit" and Christ spirit.. other terms of new age , yes eastern mysticism has wormed its way into his
" liberal "churches and those who think that because can spell Jesus name , and think they "believe" in him..
But sometimes even Satan "believes" in him that much as those worshipping a
" the christ spirit" or they worship in any religion......

and they will claim.. all ways lead to a spiritualized christ......,or they worship only " God's agape love" ... but without God.. without the agape and without the love either. they only serve their own needs and spiritual ideas.. Not the Fathers will .

NO Jesus is a man and a king and as son of a king.. there is no spiritualizing that part of him.
and he only reflects the Fathers light. He only did what he saw the Father doing , He only said what he saw the father saying..... he is the power the Father created (like the moon ) to rule in the time of darkness.
a son of man worthy of his birthright, humble enough to be empowered by the right arm of God and creator of all. where the spirit and the flesh became one at his baptism.
who of the Angels did he ever say .... "today I have begot thee.."
Jesus and the right arm of God ... had a birthday!
he is both physical and spiritual.. a peek into the promise to restore men back to the glory of our creation. the New Adam. and the promise that we all can have such a birthday.
really Put that stuff away.. it is garbage!
Jesus the son of God is the only way to the kingdom and to the Father.. and dont' forget it.
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Yet you have never seen or touched the physical human man named Jesus. Do you suppose he wants you to focus on his human flesh? I think he wants me to receive from him of the Spirit of Christ. All earthly things are passing away.
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Old 07-26-2018, 12:59 PM
 
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What are some of the Gnostic ideas found in the church system today?

Belief that Jesus was not or is not presently fully human.

Using allegory to interpret the Old Testament, such as Israel being changed to mean the church and the destiny of God’s people being changed to heaven.

Distinction between “logos” and “rhema” word of God – belief that the Greek word “logos” refers to the written word, and the Greek word “rhema” refers to a fresh, new word from God.

Despising the material creation and longing to fly away to heaven.

Unconditional eternal security.

Divine determinism, fatalism, and a denial of free will.

Continuation of the Holy Spirit teaching new things through direct revelation and experience; private revelation by “conversing with God.”

Some Christians more spiritually elite than others; false view of “the anointing.”

Mystical adventures in the spiritual realm or other mystical beliefs and practices.

Predestination of salvation.

Belief that all future sins are forgiven because of grace.

Belief that it doesn’t matter how you live because of grace; sin doesn’t affect your “spirit.” (The Gnostic cult of the Nicolaitans believed this; Jesus condemned them in Revelation 2.)

Rejection of the Old Testament, or belief that it is inferior.

Wrong view of our position in Christ, such as we are “little gods” or have a divine spark within.

https://narrowpath2016.wordpress.com...-infiltration/
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Old 07-26-2018, 04:32 PM
 
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Yet you have never seen or touched the physical human man named Jesus. Do you suppose he wants you to focus on his human flesh? I think he wants me to receive from him of the Spirit of Christ. All earthly things are passing away.
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Old 07-26-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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What are some of the Gnostic ideas found in the church system today?

Belief that Jesus was not or is not presently fully human.

Using allegory to interpret the Old Testament, such as Israel being changed to mean the church and the destiny of God’s people being changed to heaven.

Distinction between “logos” and “rhema” word of God – belief that the Greek word “logos” refers to the written word, and the Greek word “rhema” refers to a fresh, new word from God.

Despising the material creation and longing to fly away to heaven.

Unconditional eternal security.

Divine determinism, fatalism, and a denial of free will.

Continuation of the Holy Spirit teaching new things through direct revelation and experience; private revelation by “conversing with God.”

Some Christians more spiritually elite than others; false view of “the anointing.”

Mystical adventures in the spiritual realm or other mystical beliefs and practices.

Predestination of salvation.

Belief that all future sins are forgiven because of grace.

Belief that it doesn’t matter how you live because of grace; sin doesn’t affect your “spirit.” (The Gnostic cult of the Nicolaitans believed this; Jesus condemned them in Revelation 2.)

Rejection of the Old Testament, or belief that it is inferior.

Wrong view of our position in Christ, such as we are “little gods” or have a divine spark within.

https://narrowpath2016.wordpress.com...-infiltration/
It is easy for a man to find fault in other religions, but have you searched your own beliefs? I guarantee that you hold onto some beliefs that are tied to babylon the great.

What say you?
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Old 07-26-2018, 07:04 PM
 
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It is easy for a man to find fault in other religions, but have you searched your own beliefs? I guarantee that you hold onto some beliefs that are tied to babylon the great.

What say you?
and what are those beliefs that tied to Babylon the great?
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Old 07-26-2018, 07:39 PM
 
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Trinity, Jesus is God, Jesus is created, Hell, immortal soul. Those are the major issues, gods plans are for salvation for all.

I wasn't coming down on you, just wanted you to look within yourself. Because I do agree with you on some of the things you have posted, not an enemy, but a friend.



https://godsplanforall.com/
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Old 07-26-2018, 08:01 PM
 
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Jesus is God
Jesus Possesses the Attributes of God
Jesus possesses attributes that belong only to God.

Jesus is eternal. John 1:1 affirms: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The word was in this verse is an imperfect tense, indicating continuous, ongoing existence. When the timespace universe came into being, Christ already existed (Hebrews 1:8–11).

Jesus is self-existent. As the Creator of all things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2), Christ himself must be uncreated. Colossians 1:17 tells us that Christ is “before all things, and in Him all things consist.”

Jesus is everywhere-present. Christ promised His disciples, “Where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20). Since people all over the world gather in Christ’s name, the only way He could be present with them all is if He is truly omnipresent (see Matthew 28:20; Ephesians 1:23, 4:10; Colossians 3:11).

Jesus is all-knowing. Jesus knew where the fish were in the water (Luke 5:4, 6; John 21:6–11), and He knew just which fish contained the coin (Matthew 17:27). He knew the future (John 11:11, 18:4), specific details that would be encountered (Matthew 21:2–4), and knew from a distance that Lazarus had died (John 11:14). He also knows the Father as the Father knows Him (Matthew 11:27; John 7:29, 8:55, 10:15, 17:25).

Jesus is all-powerful. Christ created the entire universe (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2) and sustains the universe by His own power (Colossians 1:17; Hebrews 1:3). During His earthly ministry, He exercised power over nature (Luke 8:25), physical diseases (Mark 1:29–31), demonic spirits (Mark 1:32–34), and even death (John 11:1–44).

Jesus is sovereign. Christ presently sits at the right hand of God the Father, “angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him” (1 Peter 3:22). When Christ comes again in glory, He will be adorned with a majestic robe, and on the thigh section of the robe will be the words, “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 19:16).

Jesus is sinless. Jesus challenged Jewish leaders: “Which of you convicts Me of sin?” (John 8:46). The apostle Paul referred to Jesus as “Him who knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus is one who “loved righteousness and hated lawlessness” (Hebrews 1:9), was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), and was “holy, harmless, [and] undefiled” (Hebrews 7:26).



Jesus mention Hell


Matt. 5:22, "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."
Matt. 5:29, "If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell."
Matt. 5:30, "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell."
Matt. 10:28, "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Matt. 18:9, "And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire."
Matt. 23:15, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves."
Matt. 23:33, "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?"
Mark 9:43, "And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire."
Mark 9:45, "And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell."
Mark 9:47, "And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,"
Luke 12:5, "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!"
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Old 07-26-2018, 09:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Meester-Chung View Post
Jesus is God
Jesus Possesses the Attributes of God
Jesus possesses attributes that belong only to God.

Jesus is eternal. John 1:1 affirms: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The word was in this verse is an imperfect tense, indicating continuous, ongoing existence. When the timespace universe came into being, Christ already existed (Hebrews 1:8–11).

Jesus is self-existent. As the Creator of all things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2), Christ himself must be uncreated. Colossians 1:17 tells us that Christ is “before all things, and in Him all things consist.”

Jesus is everywhere-present. Christ promised His disciples, “Where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20). Since people all over the world gather in Christ’s name, the only way He could be present with them all is if He is truly omnipresent (see Matthew 28:20; Ephesians 1:23, 4:10; Colossians 3:11).

Jesus is all-knowing. Jesus knew where the fish were in the water (Luke 5:4, 6; John 21:6–11), and He knew just which fish contained the coin (Matthew 17:27). He knew the future (John 11:11, 18:4), specific details that would be encountered (Matthew 21:2–4), and knew from a distance that Lazarus had died (John 11:14). He also knows the Father as the Father knows Him (Matthew 11:27; John 7:29, 8:55, 10:15, 17:25).

Jesus is all-powerful. Christ created the entire universe (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2) and sustains the universe by His own power (Colossians 1:17; Hebrews 1:3). During His earthly ministry, He exercised power over nature (Luke 8:25), physical diseases (Mark 1:29–31), demonic spirits (Mark 1:32–34), and even death (John 11:1–44).

Jesus is sovereign. Christ presently sits at the right hand of God the Father, “angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him” (1 Peter 3:22). When Christ comes again in glory, He will be adorned with a majestic robe, and on the thigh section of the robe will be the words, “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 19:16).

Jesus is sinless. Jesus challenged Jewish leaders: “Which of you convicts Me of sin?” (John 8:46). The apostle Paul referred to Jesus as “Him who knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus is one who “loved righteousness and hated lawlessness” (Hebrews 1:9), was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), and was “holy, harmless, [and] undefiled” (Hebrews 7:26).



Jesus mention Hell


Matt. 5:22, "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."
Matt. 5:29, "If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell."
Matt. 5:30, "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell."
Matt. 10:28, "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Matt. 18:9, "And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire."
Matt. 23:15, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves."
Matt. 23:33, "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?"
Mark 9:43, "And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire."
Mark 9:45, "And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell."
Mark 9:47, "And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,"
Luke 12:5, "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!"
There is no doubt that those scriptures are in some of the bible translation. Please research Sheol, hades, gehenna and tartarus.


You can read about it here or elsewhere.
https://godsplanforall.com/free-onli...-to-mean-hell/
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Old 07-29-2018, 07:04 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n3BtIO9FG8

David Jeremiah Exposed. His church, Shadow Mountain, features an all-seeing eye and an inverted crucifix on a stained glass window above and behind the pulpit.
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Old 07-29-2018, 07:25 PM
 
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Ten Problem With Manipulative Altar Calls | Wretched

Ten Problems with Manipulative Altar Calls

1. Not biblical. Altar calls are neither prescribed nor described in the Bible. While this is an argument from silence, it is noteworthy that we don’t see Peter at Pentecost or Paul in Athens telling listeners to “bow their heads and close their eyes” while people slip up their hands.

2. Emotional manipulation. No matter how you slice it, heartstrings get tugged during altar calls. Between the music, the dim lights, and the pastor’s tears, the altar call is an excellent way to emote people down an aisle.

3. Neglected intellects. Modern-day altar calls almost entirely neglect the intellect. If pastors were addressing the mind and not the emotions, they would not play distracting sentimental music.

4. Wills are rarely addressed. When was the last time you heard an altar call that commanded people to bow the knee to God or His wrath will continue to abide on them?

5. Parental pressure. How many kids have walked to an altar only to please Mom and Dad, who they knew were watching?

6. Legalism. There is a clear and present danger of adding to grace alone by telling someone to do something to get saved. With so much emphasis on walking the aisle, it is not inconceivable that someone might think they must go to an altar in order to get saved.

7. Misplaced hope. People who lack assurance of their salvation are of- ten asked, “Do you remember when you went to the altar? Then don’t worry, you are saved.” It is understandable that some might put their trust in the altar call and not in Jesus.

8. Deception. Did you know some churches plant “aisle walkers” in the audience? When the pastor proclaims, “I am going to count to three and I want you to run to this altar,” prearranged plants stand up and dash to the front to be “saved,” even though they are already Christians. This ploy supposedly breaks the ice and allows those who are hesitating to not feel embarrassed, and is a practice that has been done at major crusades for years. Steven Furtick also does this at his annually scheduled “spontaneous baptism” service.

9. Pride. While pastors and members try to suppress this emotion, it is hard not to feel either pride or disappointment when an altar call succeeds or fails.

10. Statistics. The “fall-away rate” of altar call converts is atrocious and should cause our hearts to sink.
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