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Old 07-05-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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Jesus coming as a man, dying on the cross, the new covenant...these things are God changing his mind, making changes.
uh, no
Fulfilling a promise is what the Lord said.
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:05 PM
 
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God is Omniscient - Old Testament Evidence “Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.


Yes his will that will come that he already promised. Would make 0 sense to say that God desires all to repent if he already knew the outcome. Would make 0 sense to have this suffering if the outcome was written in stone. There would be no justice involved for the many who perish in the lake of fire if their end is already ordained. All of Gods ways are justice( Deiut 32:4) When Jesus died it opened the door to all. Few find the entrance. Yes God knows how easily mortals are mislead. That is why it is super important to Listen To Jesus over all others first. Few actually know what he taught.
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:08 PM
 
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Not sure why God would need to test them in the first place, I thought he knew each and every person intimately, knowing exactly whats in each persons heart and mind...he would already know before they made a choice....

...Unless he is truly not THAT 'all knowing'.


Those then will have a better shot at life everlasting. For 1000 years there will be no satan influences, all will be made back to perfection by then as well. Satan get loosed for a little while-some follow him still. If 1/3 of the angels fell to his deceptions, mortals are much easier.
God knows exactly what he is doing. Mortals fall way short of that thinking ability.
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Time for a new religion then if God doesn't know what's going on (unless maybe it's Michael The Arch Angel that is the all knowing one??)

God knows exactly what is going on--Mortals aren't very bright and satan has had 99% mislead throughout most of history.
God does not know the exact future--He knows 100% what his will is going to accomplish in the future, and from the patterns seen in mortal hearts-- knows Few will find the way.
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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He knows what he wants to know. If he saw everything that was going to happen for all eternity he would not be all powerful because he could never exercise his will and change on little thing. In effect a powerless God who must do what he saw that he did.


Exactly right.
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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You put the cart before the horse.

The tracks (to use your expression) are not laid until the chose is made and none of Gods tracks lead to sin and death, those tracks are laid by man.
yes I agree with you once the tracks were laid for the jews then the church.. the church can and will take off in any direction , but his will ais laid down track and all who follow it will be saved. right? He adn his living and his angels....are out infront of that track for all following the Father's path to HIS /Their salvation. the salvation they are offering Madkind.
not the one madkind makes up as they go along...
and looks alot like broken men leading the blind and the lame off a cliff, as they build and or destroy each others religion.. all "religion" are on their terms and by their own definitions.. ,

that is not his salvation.
his salvation is pre - and post legal and aka a covenant on his terms by his definitions and by his word and his spirit.. .
and it looks a lot like "pick up your cross and follow me" and we all ( with the son ) will do only as the Father does and has done. that is a pre laid track the churches who will be saved will be following.
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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But if God knows everything already, there is no point in testing individual humans, there would be nothing for him to learn from doing so.
That is my point, when it come to humans God must search out the reigns of our hearts to know what we will do. God does not know what choices we will make from eternity past, thus the searching and testing.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:50 PM
 
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God knows exactly what is going on--Mortals aren't very bright and satan has had 99% mislead throughout most of history.
God does not know the exact future--He knows 100% what his will is going to accomplish in the future, and from the patterns seen in mortal hearts-- knows Few will find the way.
Number one, quit blaming the devil for everything. Number two, God DOES know the EXACT future, He knows ALL things. There is no past/present/future, there is no time in heaven and thirdly, there will be more than 144,000 souls in heaven. God gets what He wants, who is strong enough to stop Him?
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Old 07-07-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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Number one, quit blaming the devil for everything. Number two, God DOES know the EXACT future, He knows ALL things. There is no past/present/future, there is no time in heaven and thirdly, there will be more than 144,000 souls in heaven. God gets what He wants, who is strong enough to stop Him?
Well, if satan successfully draws MORE people away from God compared to those that willingly choose God on their own...that would seem that Satan is more influential at least or that Gods word was not enough for the majority of people that ever lived.

If few people achieve heaven, in my book, this is hell/satan prevailing.
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Old 07-07-2018, 04:41 PM
 
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Number one, quit blaming the devil for everything. Number two, God DOES know the EXACT future, He knows ALL things. There is no past/present/future, there is no time in heaven and thirdly, there will be more than 144,000 souls in heaven. God gets what He wants, who is strong enough to stop Him?

The devils lie to Eve caused a domino Effect when it mislead Eve to eat of the tree forbidden to eat from. In Peter it says a day is as a thousand years to God--there is time. 2Peter 3:8)----The bible has only promised the little flock to heaven( Luke 12:32)These are the bride of Christ-the anointed=144,000 are bought from the earth(Rev 14:3)- these will sit on thrones alongside Jesus helping separate the sheep from the goats and judgement. They will even judge fallen angels.

Jesus gave this promise to the rest--Happy are the meek for they will inherit the earth.--- the psalmist knew that truth as well-Psalm 37:9-11,29
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