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Zechariah 14 is showing people what will happen on Tishri 15th, everything about it is showing us the feast of Tabernacles. The day that is peculiar to God is when at EVE, everything goes dark, and then suddenly it is light. This is speaking about the lights of the feast of Tabernacles turning night into day, and Zechariah tells us what day it is besides that.....Zechariah 14 is the world being judged in how they treated Jerusalem and Judah..........
The 70th week happens to everyone in every generation. The Anti-Christ has been here for 2000 years.
What does Anti-Christ come to do? He comes speaking against the Saints of the Most high who keep God's commandments. Anti-Christ comes to do away with the law, and to change the times and seasons so the children of God wont know their days of visitation....Antiochus tried to do just this, and where he failed, people like Constantine and Martin Luther excelled.
The sole mission of Anti-Christ is to turn people away from the law and the 7 feasts of Messiah, and now that all the Christians have made a covenant for 7 years with a Gentile, lawless, pagan Jesus who speaks against the Saints, they are supposed to come to the realization that they are anti-Christ, and the Anti-Christ is within them, they see the abomination and then go all the way to death........
Thessalonians is all over this, the great apostasy when Gentiles would come to stand against everything called of God or that is worshipped of God as they sit in their own temples thinking their religion and law is above the religion and laws of God....
THE LAWLESS ONES, the sons of perdition who call righteousness wickedness, and wickedness, Righteousness.
They do have a dictionary on the interweb for the word,'' Lawlessness,'' in mean you have cast off the law.
Jesus tells us of the lawless times to come, and they came 2000 years ago when Christians decided to deny Jesus, to deny all his sacrifices when they made laws against keeping the commandments of God, laws against keeping any feasts or Sabbaths of God in their lawlessness, and although they are the lawless, OBVIOUSLY, they still wont admit their lawlessness.
constantly repeating the claim that Daniel's 70th week is about the Tribulation does not make it so. repeating does not make you right
I explained why Daniel's 70th week is the Tribulation. I went into detail about it in posts 75, 77, and 81.
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Daniel 7 talks about the Tribulation where the little horn(papal vatican rome emerged from the roman empire which is the 4th beast) was waging war against the saints(Christians who refuse to submit to papal authority during papal rule during the dark ages)
7 “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking [c]pompous words.
19 “Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; 20 and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke [i]pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.
21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.
Nor does the fact that Daniel 7 refers to the Tribulation mean that that's the only place where the Tribulation is referred to. The Tribulation will be a seven year period as was already shown, and Daniel's 70th week is the Tribulation.
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John 18:36 said his kingdom is not of this earth. it's a simple sentence which means there will be a new heaven and a new earth
Daniel 2:44 said God will set up a kingdom it didn't say it will be on earth
Zecharia 14 is about the New Jerusalem coming down on a New Earth which is mentioned in the book of Revelations
And I said that John 18:36 doesn't mean that Jesus' kingdom will not be on this earth when He returns. I already showed that Daniel 2:29-45 speaks of God setting up a kingdom which overturns the kingdoms of the world.
As for Zechariah 14, it specifically states that the Lord will stand on the Mount of Olives and fight for Jerusalem against the armies of the nations that are attacking Jerusalem. Then it states that the Lord will be king over all the earth. That means the kingdom will be on the earth. Then it stats that the families of the earth will go up to Jerusalem to worship the king.
Isaiah 9:7 shows the Lord (Jesus) sitting on the throne of David.
Luke 1:32-33 states that Jesus will be given the throne of David and that he will rule over the house of Jacob forever.
Jeremiah 23:5-8 and 33:16 shows the Lord reigning as king, and Israel dwelling safely. Jeremiah 33:15 specifically states that the Lord will execute justice and righteousness on the earth.
Zechariah 8:22-23 states that many people and mighty nations will come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem and entreat the favor of the Lord. And that in those days, with reference to the kingdom, ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, ''Let us go with you, for we have head that God is with you.''
During the Millennial kingdom, as stated in Isaiah 11:1-9 the Lord will judge the poor with righteousness, and decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth. That is Jesus ruling over the earth. In the Millennial kingdom on the earth, the wolf will dwell with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together. The earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord and the remmant of His people who will remain will be gathered from Assyria, Egypt, Pathos, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. The dispersed of Judah, the banished ones of Israel will be gathered from the four corners of the earth. All of this speaks of the kingdom being on the earth.
Psalm 72 states that the Lord will rule from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth. How much more clear can it be that the kingdom will be on the earth?
Micah 4:3 shows that the Lord will reign over the peoples in Mount Zion. It states that there will be nations on the earth during the kingdom.
Isaiah 65:20 indicates that in the Millennial kingdom lifespans will be increased.
Revelation 20 states that during the thousand year period (from which the term Millennial kingdom is derived) that Satan will be bound. But at the end of that time he will be temporarily loosed to deceive the nations of the earth.
A literal reading of all those passages leaves no room for doubting that the Millennial kingdom will be on the earth.
Daniel 7:25, 12:7, Rev 11:2-3, 12:6 and 14, 13:5 says that the tribulation is 3 1/2 years in length.
Isaiah 34:8, 63:4 says the great tribulation(God's wrath) is 1 year in length.
Do the math 3 1/2 + 1 = 4 1/2 not 7.
Peter talks about scriptures being twisted and that prophecy is not open to private interpretation.
You just believe what someone else told you to believe.
The math has already been done. The Tribulation period encompasses the entire 70th week of Daniels 70 weeks prophecy. And no, neither Isaiah 34:8 or 63:4 says that the Great Tribulation is only one year in length. You've already been shown in a previous post from Revelation 12:6 that during the last half of the Tribulation the Jews in Jerusalem are to flee to a place that God has provided for them where they will be safe for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. That's 3 1/2 years which is half of the total duration of the Tribulation. It is further stated in Revelation 13:5 that the beast will be given authority to act for forty-two months. Again, that is 3 1/2 years. One half of the total duration of the Tribulation.
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The math has already been done. The Tribulation period encompasses the entire 70th week of Daniels 70 weeks prophecy. And no, neither Isaiah 34:8 or 63:4 says that the Great Tribulation is only one year in length. You've already been shown in a previous post from Revelation 12:6 that during the last half of the Tribulation the Jews in Jerusalem are to flee to a place that God has provided for them where they will be safe for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. That's 3 1/2 years which is half of the total duration of the Tribulation. It is further stated in Revelation 13:5 that the beast will be given authority to act for forty-two months. Again, that is 3 1/2 years. One half of the total duration of the Tribulation.
Oh well Mike555, all I can do is present the truth, the same as Jesus and the Apostles, many are called few are chosen. If you have the view as the many, guess what!
Oh well Mike555, all I can do is present the truth, the same as Jesus and the Apostles, many are called few are chosen. If you have the view as the many, guess what!
No, all you do is present your opinions which are not in line with what the Bible says. You've arrogantly chosen the screen name 'Unveiling Bible Truth' but have done anything but that. With your attitude you render yourself incapable of learning anything.
I explained why Daniel's 70th week is the Tribulation. I went into detail about it in posts 75, 77, and 81.
it is not about the tribulation there is no 2000+ gap between the 1st century and a futurist tribulation. constantly repeating that Jesuit propaganda does not make it true
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Nor does the fact that Daniel 7 refers to the Tribulation mean that that's the only place where the Tribulation is referred to. The Tribulation will be a seven year period as was already shown, and Daniel's 70th week is the Tribulation.
stop repeating yourself. it is getting annoying
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And I said that John 18:36 doesn't mean that Jesus' kingdom will not be on this earth when He returns. I already showed that Daniel 2:29-45 speaks of God setting up a kingdom which overturns the kingdoms of the world.
what part of "my kingdom is not of this world" don't you understand? you are displaying reading comprehension problems. Daniel 2 did not say his kingdom will be on Earth
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As for Zechariah 14, it specifically states that the Lord will stand on the Mount of Olives and fight for Jerusalem against the armies of the nations that are attacking Jerusalem. Then it states that the Lord will be king over all the earth. That means the kingdom will be on the earth. Then it stats that the families of the earth will go up to Jerusalem to worship the king.
That chapter is about the New Jerusalem on the new earth
Hebrews 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels
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Isaiah 9:7 shows the Lord (Jesus) sitting on the throne of David.
Luke 1:32-33 states that Jesus will be given the throne of David and that he will rule over the house of Jacob forever.
Jeremiah 23:5-8 and 33:16 shows the Lord reigning as king, and Israel dwelling safely. Jeremiah 33:15 specifically states that the Lord will execute justice and righteousness on the earth.
Those verses are about Jesus's first coming
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Zechariah 8:22-23 states that many people and mighty nations will come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem and entreat the favor of the Lord. And that in those days, with reference to the kingdom, ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, ''Let us go with you, for we have head that God is with you.''
During the Millennial kingdom, as stated in Isaiah 11:1-9 the Lord will judge the poor with righteousness, and decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth. That is Jesus ruling over the earth. In the Millennial kingdom on the earth, the wolf will dwell with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together. The earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord and the remmant of His people who will remain will be gathered from Assyria, Egypt, Pathos, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. The dispersed of Judah, the banished ones of Israel will be gathered from the four corners of the earth. All of this speaks of the kingdom being on the earth.
2 Peter 3
The Day of the Lord
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Psalm 72 states that the Lord will rule from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth. How much more clear can it be that the kingdom will be on the earth?
it's about the new earth you are confusing this present earth and a new earth. this is a problem with futurists
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Micah 4:3 shows that the Lord will reign over the peoples in Mount Zion. It states that there will be nations on the earth during the kingdom.
again this is about the new earth not the old earth
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Isaiah 65:20 indicates that in the Millennial kingdom lifespans will be increased.
Isaiah 65:20
17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or [f]come to mind.
you left out verse 17 which states God will create new heavens and a new earth
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Revelation 20 states that during the thousand year period (from which the term Millennial kingdom is derived) that Satan will be bound. But at the end of that time he will be temporarily loosed to deceive the nations of the earth.
there won't be a literal 1000 year on this earth
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A literal reading of all those passages leaves no room for doubting that the Millennial kingdom will be on the earth.
The Book of Revelation is symbolic it's not literal like the futurists claimed
it is not about the tribulation there is no 2000+ gap between the 1st century and a futurist tribulation. constantly repeating that Jesuit propaganda does not make it true
stop repeating yourself. it is getting annoying
Then be annoyed, because Daniel's 70th week refers to the Tribulation.
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what part of "my kingdom is not of this world" don't you understand? you are displaying reading comprehension problems. Daniel 2 did not say his kingdom will be on Earth
That chapter is about the New Jerusalem on the new earth
Hebrews 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels
The Day of the Lord
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Psalm 72 states that the Lord will rule from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth. How much more clear can it be that the kingdom will be on the earth?
it's about the new earth you are confusing this present earth and a new earth. this is a problem with futurists
again this is about the new earth not the old earth
Isaiah 65:20
17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or [f]come to mind.
you left out verse 17 which states God will create new heavens and a new earth
there won't be a literal 1000 year on this earth
The Book of Revelation is symbolic it's not literal like the futurists claimed
No, I am not having reading comprehension problems. And no one invented futurism. A literal reading of the pertinent scriptures naturally leads to a futuristic view.
All you are doing is denying, without any real support, that the Scriptures which I've shown you indicate that there will be a future Millennial kingdom on this earth.
You reject the futurist view of the Tribulation. I understand that. But the view is legitimate and is held by many, including me, because it is supported by a literal reading of the pertinent scriptures.
Revelation has much symbolic language, but the symbolism refers to very literal things.
Yes, God will create a new heavens and earth. But that will be after the Millennial kingdom.
You've posted a couple of links, so I will do the same. The first is by Dr. Thomas Ice of the Pre-Trib Research Center
DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK
Daniel's "seventy weeks," prophesied in Daniel 9:24-27 are the framework within which the tribulation or the seventieth week occurs. [2] The seven-year period of Daniel's seventieth week provides the time span or length of the tribulation. A graphic presentation of the seventy weeks assists greatly in understanding this intricate prophecy.
The seventieth week of Daniel is the basis for our understanding that the future tribulation will be seven years in length. This is confirmed in Revelation where there are references to two three and a half year periods. The ministry of the two witnesses occurs in the first three and a half years (Revelation 11:3), while other tribulation events are said to occur in the second half of the seven years (Revelation 12:6; 13:5). Since the first sixty-nine weeks were fulfilled literally in history (as seen above), it follows that the final week must be fulfilled in the same way. Any attempt to find a literal fulfillment of the final seven years requires a gap of time between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks. This provides the basis for the final week of Daniel's prophecy to be fulfilled literally in the future.
Question: "What is the Tribulation? How do we know the Tribulation will last seven years?"
Answer: The tribulation is a future seven-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. The church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the tribulation. The church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9). Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).
An understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 is necessary in order to understand the purpose and time of the tribulation.
Then be annoyed, because Daniel's 70th week refers to the Tribulation.
No, I am not having reading comprehension problems. And no one invented futurism. A literal reading of the pertinent scriptures naturally leads to a futuristic view.
All you are doing is denying, without any real support, that the Scriptures which I've shown you indicate that there will be a future Millennial kingdom on this earth.
You reject the futurist view of the Tribulation. I understand that. But the view is legitimate and is held by many, including me, because it is supported by a literal reading of the pertinent scriptures.
Revelation has much symbolic language, but the symbolism refers to very literal things.
Yes, God will create a new heavens and earth. But that will be after the Millennial kingdom.
You've posted a couple of links, so I will do the same. The first is by Dr. Thomas Ice of the Pre-Trib Research Center
DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK
Daniel's "seventy weeks," prophesied in Daniel 9:24-27 are the framework within which the tribulation or the seventieth week occurs. [2] The seven-year period of Daniel's seventieth week provides the time span or length of the tribulation. A graphic presentation of the seventy weeks assists greatly in understanding this intricate prophecy.
The seventieth week of Daniel is the basis for our understanding that the future tribulation will be seven years in length. This is confirmed in Revelation where there are references to two three and a half year periods. The ministry of the two witnesses occurs in the first three and a half years (Revelation 11:3), while other tribulation events are said to occur in the second half of the seven years (Revelation 12:6; 13:5). Since the first sixty-nine weeks were fulfilled literally in history (as seen above), it follows that the final week must be fulfilled in the same way. Any attempt to find a literal fulfillment of the final seven years requires a gap of time between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks. This provides the basis for the final week of Daniel's prophecy to be fulfilled literally in the future.
Question: "What is the Tribulation? How do we know the Tribulation will last seven years?"
Answer: The tribulation is a future seven-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. The church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the tribulation. The church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9). Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).
An understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 is necessary in order to understand the purpose and time of the tribulation.
My friend, before you jump into defending yourself, have you ever stopped to think that maybe you are wrong? The pharisees would not budge even tho it was the son of God that told them they were wrong. History does repeat itself.
I was wrong on many doctrines, but was able to except the truth, due to one thing. my heart. Stop and seriously look at your heart, maybe God is trying to reach you and maybe you are fighting him.
You know it is not angels that appear in your room, or a light from above with a voice that God communicates in this day. It is thru scripture and those that he has called.
Either way, you can accept the truth or reject it.
All you are doing is denying, without any real support, that the Scriptures which I've shown you indicate that there will be a future Millennial kingdom on this earth.
You reject the futurist view of the Tribulation. I understand that. But the view is legitimate and is held by many, including me, because it is supported by a literal reading of the pertinent scriptures.
I reject the Futurist view because it is not Biblical. it is invented by the Jesuits as a counter-reformation propaganda
The word "Futurist" and "Futurism" may be unfamiliar to many Christians today, yet one hundred years ago it was well known among all Protestants. E.B. Elliott, in his classic commentary on the book of Revelation republished for the fifth time in 1862, called Horae Apocalyptica, gives this background and definition:
"The futurist scheme, as I have elsewhere stated, was first, or nearly first, propounded about the year 1585 by the Jesuit Ribera; as the fittest one to turn aside the Protestant application of the Apocalyptic prophecy from the Church of Rome. In England and Ireland of late years it has been brought into vogue chiefly by Mr. S.R. Maitland and Mr. Burgh; followed by the writer of four of the Oxford Tracts on Antichrist. Its general characteristic is to view the whole Apocalypse, at least after the Epistles to the Seven Churches, as a representation of the events of the consummation and second advent, all still future: the Israel depicted in it being the literal Israel; the temple, Apoc. xi., a literal rebuilt Jewish temple at Jerusalem; and the Antichrist, or Apocalyptic Beast under his last head, a personal infidel Antichrist, fated to reign and triumph over the saints for 3 1/2 years, (the days in the chronological periods being all literal days) [rather than years], until Christ's coming shall destroy him" (Horae, Vol. 4, p. 597).
According to the Futurist viewpoint, "the whole 1800 years that have passed subsequently are to be viewed as a blank in prophecy; the period having been purposely skipped over by the Divine Spirit, in order at once to plunge the reader into the events and times of the consummation" (ibid.).
In other words, when "Futurists" look at the book of Revelation, they see little or no prophetic fulfilments during the entire course of Christian history. In its modern form, almost everything is predicted to be fulfilled after the Rapture, after we're gone, with two of its primary characteristics being: 1) The belief in a single, future evil Antichrist person, and 2) the belief that prophecy will then centre around the literal Jewish nation with its supposedly rebuilt temple.
Futurists often claim that Revelation 4:1 describes the Rapture and that everything beyond this will occur during a supposed seven years tribulation. Its modern advocates often claim that after Revelation 4, God's Church is not on earth because it is not specifically mentioned. Thus the absence of the word "Church" is used as proof of its removal.
It doesn't make sense that God would pass over 2000 years of Christian history in His prophecies, especially since the foundation prophecy of Daniel 2 reveals a straightforward historical succession from the days of Babylon all the way down to the end of time.
This end times deception page will explain how the concepts of a one-man end-times Antichrist in a 7-year tribulation period became so prevalent, after 1800 years of Biblical teaching that knew nothing of the sort.
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