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Old 08-02-2018, 09:56 PM
 
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Lets go over an important concept, truth, and principle of the Lord.

Jesus is personal and treats us as an individual. He doesnt accept us and didnt die for our parents or bloodline or nation but for any individual who individually accepts and receives Him as their sacrifice for their individual sin. Its simple not complex, its BASIC CHRISTIANITY.

As the two cornerstones of Christianity or CHRIST is CHOICE and EQUALITY.

The Lord created all of us, every nationality and every individual in the whole world. He did not ctreate one above the other, one chosen and one special and sacrosanct and another lowly and a predestined unbeliever and heathen antichrist.

CHOICE and EQUALITY, all must chose love and His sacrifice for them... none get it because of their parents or bloodlines or nationality or color of their skin or because they are the right gender etc etc... all as individuals must choose individually concerning HIM and their life style and actions.

Why because as the true and fair and righteous judge, the Lord named Jesus shall judge each individually concerning the life they have lived according to their exact conditions, motivations and consequent CHOICES. He is fair and jjus and knows all motivations and situations, because all must face HIM as individuals. Groups will not be going to the judgment seat of Christ, only individuals. \Jesus is not a groupie nor a racist nor sexist. He has no favorites and elite and special sacrosanct group because of supposed bloodlines. Parents cant save anyone, each person has to grow up and choose their own destiny via their own CHOICES. They have to take responsibility for their actions, without blaming anyone or resorting to their supposed sanctity because of the group they joined or were brought into the world through.

Individuals must face their choices as individuals, groups will not help you when it comes to your own Creator.

IHS

David

Choose wisely....

Will fix typos later...
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Old 08-02-2018, 10:50 PM
 
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I agree with everything you said except the thread title. I donít consider Jesus to be individualistic. And I do consider him to be a group leader. Are not all believers in Christ one body?
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Old 08-03-2018, 02:22 AM
 
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Believers are saved each in their individual person and not saved by a group , but God expects us to go and be among other saints and be in a group to love one to another and pray for each other like a group of sheep ........ When believers get together to love each other it can develop the fruits of the spirit which is needed in the after life ........... Then Jesus interest in the nations is so more people can get a chance to get saved for heaven , and Jesus finds it very important that the nations will hear the truth of the Gospel , so when they would of had a choice for the gospel , when they stand before Jesus at the great judgment of God`s creation at the end of time
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Old 08-03-2018, 03:11 AM
 
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Jesus is and can be a leader of a group consisting of individuals, or a leader of individuals within a group.


"Master," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us."

Luke 9:49 is AN INDIVIDUAL

"Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you."

Luke 9:50 shows the GROUP
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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Lets go over an important concept, truth, and principle of the Lord.

Jesus is personal and treats us as an individual. He doesnt accept us and didnt die for our parents or bloodline or nation but for any individual who individually accepts and receives Him as their sacrifice for their individual sin. Its simple not complex, its BASIC CHRISTIANITY.
Actually, Jesus didn't die only for those who accept Him as Savior, but rather, He died for every man without exception, including those who will never accept Him and remain under condemnation. It's called unlimited atonement.
Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

2 Cor. 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; 15] and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
Sin was removed as a barrier between man and God by Jesus' death on the cross. The issue in salvation therefore is whether a person will believe in Jesus for eternal life. When a person does accept Jesus as Savior he is credited with the perfect righteousness of Jesus and is qualified to spend eternity with God. If a person never accepts Jesus as Savior he never receives the imputation of Jesus' perfect righteousness and therefore, having only his own imperfect righteousness, is not qualified to enter into an eternal relationship with God and remains under condemnation.
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:33 AM
 
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OP is fine as far as OP goes, but it is important to recognize that the individual leading will always reflect the nature of the Guide as taught by Jesus and the apostles, most notably in "the Sermon on the Mount," 1Cor 13 and Galations 5. That Spirit may use many tools, among which are other Spirit led followers of the Way, writings both by previous and current followers and by secular "experts" in cogent fields. All are subject to that concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation that is ἀγάπη.
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Old 08-03-2018, 09:26 AM
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well if he is not a group leader now .. which I could debate it to some degree. but basicly you are right until He drops out of a cloud revealing himself a king of kings ////with the words KINGS of KINGSS and LORD of LORDS written on his side . then He is pretty much only going to be a group leader and a hall monitor and the police force all in one..


might I suggest we prayerfully all consider which group you truely belong to because inheritances such as lands will be given out by such things as clans, tribes on both the male and female clans/churches lines. but
now Jobs with-in the clans and tribes and nations will probably be like maybe on merit...

you know the many scriptures about faithful in small things will be made ruler of much ... well those kind of merits / rewards these will be done worldwide in groups of people.
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Old 08-03-2018, 01:16 PM
 
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I agree with everything you said except the thread title. I donít consider Jesus to be individualistic. And I do consider him to be a group leader. Are not all believers in Christ one body?
Yea, youre right, a terrible title and not very clear...summing up a principle is a little difficult... but my text did clarify what I was and am trying to say. If you come up with a better title, do write it down and post it.

OK, as for your other point.... GREAT OBSERVATION... AWESOME.

How does Jesus make us individual and unique and bring out our true selfs and uniqueness in HIM and yet be able to help us to conform in a group and stay individualistic and unique ?

Whew, we were created to want fellowship and we awant to be part of a group, but these dam churches try to demand conformity and exactness and dullness and blah blah blah. No real man or woman wants to lose their fire and zest and emotion and life in a dead and dying church system.

Love frees us, freedom frees us to be ourselves, this Jesus does for us...Ha, miraculously as we forget about ourselves and get more concerned about others rather than ourselves. As we unlock the chains for others, our chains get unlocked.

So lets forget the bondage of the church systems that are not Christian and arent based on love and freedom.

Oh the church people hate freedom because they know if free they would ravage...and so they stay in bondage and make their flocks in bondage to control them. But Jesus makes us free to break bonds and cultural hang ups, to be ourselves. For who controls us.... Jesus... for if we have love in our hearts, His love then we control ourselves and have sensitivity and do not make lie, steal and kill our neighbors or congregation members, but we have automatic respect because we have His LOVE in our hearts, we can trust one another as us being on the same team. Rules dont bind us but love binds us and stops us from offending and killing, Make love literally not war.


Who can you give freedom to, a wolf or a lamb.

Church people or hypocrites or the holiness people are wolves, as Jesus said, while lambs in His sheepfolds are lambs. Who does HE give freedom to wolves or lmabs.. The answer lambs.

Great Observation.. Retroit

And a much longer answer needed, lets work on it...

IHS

David
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Old 08-03-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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Believers are saved each in their individual person and not saved by a group , but God expects us to go and be among other saints and be in a group to love one to another and pray for each other like a group of sheep ........ When believers get together to love each other it can develop the fruits of the spirit which is needed in the after life ........... Then Jesus interest in the nations is so more people can get a chance to get saved for heaven , and Jesus finds it very important that the nations will hear the truth of the Gospel , so when they would of had a choice for the gospel , when they stand before Jesus at the great judgment of God`s creation at the end of time
OK HL Jesus Christ, whatever HL means..

I must go slow and be more sensitive this time because you are asking a sincere question..and yet do consider first my above comment for Redoit. For Yes, church people are told they need to be in a fellowship or church, or mega-cathedral of power and prestige. They are convinced they are obeying the Lord and being part of Pauls body of believers.

The problem is Jesus disciples were in small groups, intimate groups, true fellowship groups, where they studied and lived out His comandments to go and precah the gospel, and scatter out and be missionaries...hence they were always small and spread out and not very numerous.. They didnt teach and demand Hebrew Laws for the unbelievers, they didnt teach strict obediance to the Old Law, but heart obediance to Jesus law of LOVE. They were not taught to obey elders as does church the church system, Jesus was the mediator between God and man and woman. The in betweens and priest hood was gone. They had a few scriptures and they knew the Lord, or knew those that knew HIM peronnally, there was no more middle men or women. They each had the Holy Spirit they could learn from and to whom they were suppose to obey. The clergy were past tense. They had Jesus in their hearts and they were freed from the past to follow HIM and His example and keep going til their deaths and til the End. They had HIS FAITH and CONVICTION. It was not a part time , one time a week sideline. The early Christians lived together, shared all things together, talked about Jesus together. They had JESUS

Todays churchs dont allow individual belief and initiative. They say, they will do the preaching and missionary work for the pew sitters. Right ? Right ? Just come to church and give enough money to keep us going, says the churches to their flocks.

But they demand adherrance and obedience to their man made church laws, and if you disobey, they threw you out of church despite all the money you errantly gave them in building their structure and supplying the needs of their clergy or elders, or leaders, or priests, or ministers.


If that isnt enough, they will tell your wives to divorce you, or for church men to divorce their wives if they will not OBEY. Whao, they are sneaky but they will come out and blatantly say it to your face, and you better obey.. stop drinking stop carousing like Samson or have a career like Rahab. Make money be successful for wealth shows godliness according to them.

The Lords wants us to fellowship and work like HIM with our neighbors and even group together if you all agreed as birds of the same feather. .. and then flock together.

But dont fellowship with unbelieving church systems... if no real Christians, freedom loving, grace and mercy Christians live nearby, go it alone and buck up rather than selling off your soul for a local unbelieving controling spirit sapping conformist law and order holiness church.

If the Lord shall make you FREE be FREE in DEEDS.

Obey the Lord, set others free and dont let any man or woman stop you or enslave you. Buck up and be yourself and what the Lord wants you to do and say, and not do and not say. Figure it out with HIM and HER (HIS SPIRIT) and be MISSONAIRIES not of a church system but of JESUS.

OCS (alone or together)

Whewee,
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Old 08-03-2018, 01:39 PM
 
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well if he is not a group leader now .. which I could debate it to some degree. but basicly you are right until He drops out of a cloud revealing himself a king of kings ////with the words KINGS of KINGSS and LORD of LORDS written on his side . then He is pretty much only going to be a group leader and a hall monitor and the police force all in one..


might I suggest we prayerfully all consider which group you truely belong to because inheritances such as lands will be given out by such things as clans, tribes on both the male and female clans/churches lines. but
now Jobs with-in the clans and tribes and nations will probably be like maybe on merit...

you know the many scriptures about faithful in small things will be made ruler of much ... well those kind of merits / rewards these will be done worldwide in groups of people.
Sorry, not quite catching your word or query or answer. Can you explain a little more.

Thanks
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