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Old 08-03-2018, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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Same person man, and until you get it into your head, you wont understand any of those parables. Until you learn who Ephraim and Judah are, and what they represent in you, you will never understand. Until you learn the temple design and you know all the comings and goings of YOU, you will never understand. You are the Temple, Passover is made for you to sew your seed by dying daily and receiving the word of God softly in a Pentecost lifestyle that has brought you from a Gentile to a member of Israel. Your whole struggle of being a Gentile is all you are reading about but don't know. Jesus is always trying to show the two of you and who those two sons are, and until you realize that you are both sons, you will never understand. Read Galatians in how you have two mothers name Hagar and Sarah and how you are two sons, one of this present Jerusalem on Earth with it's own particular law made for the first born son, and somehow you are also the son of Isaac, a son who is free from the laws of the first born son and he has his own laws, his brother is the son of perdition and the two are two kingdoms that fight as it is kingdom against kingdom in your own temple, and you are the high priest of your own temple, YOU ARE the temple.


Galatians only explains the fact that you are Ishmael, and you are Isaac, and we could go on like this all day, that YOU are Esau, and YOU are Jacob, that YOU are Cain, and YOU are Abel, and now the covenant has come down to Ephraim and Judah, the first born and the second born. Messiah ONLY brings a covenant for Ephraim and Judah and NOBODY ELSE.


But YOU are Ephraim by flesh, YOU are living this life of the first born son and all the laws pertain to the first born son of flesh, but WITHIN YOU is also a free man, a hidden man of the heart that the laws of the first born don't apply to the second born.


Until you begin to think in these terms, you wont understand the parables, YOU are the kingdom of heaven, and what is the kingdom of heaven?


God has two sons, one lawless prodigal nation named Ephraim and who has been lost these some 2700 years, but God has another son named Judah, and this son stays home with the father, always.


The Lawless Northern kingdom of Israel called,'' Ephraim.''
The Lawful Southern kingdom of Israel called,'' Judah.''


THAT is what you are, you are two kingdoms that fight kingdom against Kingdom but between these kingdoms is a city of peace.


All God has ever wanted was that the Northern kingdom married the southern kingdom, that the two kingdoms become as one kingdom where the kingdom of the flesh is submissive to the kingdom of the spirit...


A whole kingdom no longer divided as it is now, Jesus came and took Gentiles of Ephraim and Jews of Judah and made them one single servant, but now that servant is cut in two.
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Old 08-04-2018, 01:24 AM
 
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I'll prefer the understanding that the rich man represents the Jewish clergy back then and Lazarus the common people, I didn't find the article I wanted to link in the first place, but they come quite close:

Meaning of Rich Man and Lazarus parable

THE HIDDEN MEANING BEHIND THE PARABLE OF THE RICH MAN


That was the article I was looking for in the first place:

https://www.concordant.org/expositio...arus-part-one/

https://www.concordant.org/expositio...arus-part-two/
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Old 08-04-2018, 03:13 AM
 
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People believed in the hopeless of the dead in the Old Covenant , In Matthew 22 as Jesus said ``But concerning the resurrection of the dead , have you not read what God said to you .... ``I am the God of Abraham , the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob ? ... He is not the God of the dead but of the living `` ..... Where then Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are still alive with God , and people like the rich man from Luke 16 who had no need for God would be the dead
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Old 08-04-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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How can the rich man be Lazarus when at Luke 16:14 Jesus is addressing the covetous, money-loving Pharisees________
At verse 15 Jesus goes on to say to 'them' ( Pharisees ) Not to Lazarus.

As death ends a marriage, the 'law and the prophets' ( marriage ) of verse 16 ended with Jesus - Romans 10:4.

The description found at Luke 16:19 does Not fit the description of Lazarus, but fits the ' rich man ' Pharisees - verse 14.
Interesting optics. One guy arguing that 2 guys in the same story are the same guy...the other one who doesn't believe in a major aspect of the story, hell.
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Old 08-04-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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Interesting optics. One guy arguing that 2 guys in the same story are the same guy...the other one who doesn't believe in a major aspect of the story, hell.
Interesting, a person not even under the covenant of Jesus, a person who doesn't even know the religion of Jesus with his worship system of 7 missions that are appointed visitation days in here talking about Jewish things in Judaism, without the slightest clue of what he is talking about.........Jesus is not your Babylonian Messiah, he isn't a lawless pagan Gentile, Jesus was a Jew who walked in Judaism practicing the religion of the father, the same religion you reject and yet you not only want to speak of a Jewish Messiah, you even sit here daily speaking of Jewish holy days that you don't know anything about........
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Old 08-04-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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It's a real account of a rich man in hell and a poor beggar in Heaven with Abraham. The rich man ignored the words of Moses and the prophets -- which came from God. The multitudes are ignoring the Scriptures nowadays too, but hell has been enlarged to hold them all.

Isaiah 5
[14] Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
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Old 08-04-2018, 01:07 PM
 
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Such good cheer as usual!
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Old 08-04-2018, 01:31 PM
 
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Such good cheer as usual!
Sorry, my bad.
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Old 08-04-2018, 05:13 PM
 
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Lazarus and the Rich man are the same person.....
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Worth repeating.
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Old 08-04-2018, 06:12 PM
 
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It's a real account of a rich man in hell and a poor beggar in Heaven with Abraham. The rich man ignored the words of Moses and the prophets -- which came from God. The multitudes are ignoring the Scriptures nowadays too, but hell has been enlarged to hold them all.

Isaiah 5
[14] Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Sheol is the pit or grave. And, it is highly suspect that anyone would be having a conversation?
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