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Old 08-07-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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And there are no memories or thoughts while in the grave.
No, not for the physical body. Obviously.

Some of us believe the spirit goes to be with the Lord after we die.
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Old 08-07-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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I have seen some, and read Eben Alexander's book, but the problem is that those people were not actually dead. If they were, their brains would not have been able to register the memories. Even migraine headaches can produce such hallucinations.
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And there are no memories or thoughts while in the grave.
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No, not for the physical body. Obviously.

Some of us believe the spirit goes to be with the Lord after we die.
I do not believe in an immortal soul, however, nothing ever truly dies. It merely goes back to the source from whence it came but in a different state of transformation. But to say that you have always existed is suspect and questionable for once your brain tissue die's, so does the person themselves, as you are no longer a living and breathing soul, nor are you yet immortal.
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Old 08-07-2018, 11:46 AM
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and this mentality of atheist can be found right here on this site called city data .. now it needs to be brought to suit and so do the colleges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFcJh_4-RrU

looks just like Tesla said about women.
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Old 08-07-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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No, not for the physical body. Obviously.
Some of us believe the spirit goes to be with the Lord after we die.
Some of us know it is born again as a newborn Spirit to be with the Father.
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Old 08-07-2018, 03:45 PM
 
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I do not believe in an immortal soul, however, nothing ever truly dies. It merely goes back to the source from whence it came but in a different state of transformation. But to say that you have always existed is suspect and questionable for once your brain tissue die's, so does the person themselves, as you are no longer a living and breathing soul, nor are you yet immortal.
The YOU that is composing and posting in these discussions is NOT your physical body, Jer. Your physical body will be transformed after death by known processes of decay but YOU will not. There is nothing we know of that can transform the form of YOU that is comprised of consciousness energy.
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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I do not believe in an immortal soul, however, nothing ever truly dies. It merely goes back to the source from whence it came but in a different state of transformation. But to say that you have always existed is suspect and questionable for once your brain tissue die's, so does the person themselves, as you are no longer a living and breathing soul, nor are you yet immortal.
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The YOU that is composing and posting in these discussions is NOT your physical body, Jer.
I am aware of that ...but the physical is a part of who I AM presently.

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Your physical body will be transformed after death by known processes of decay but YOU will not. There is nothing we know of that can transform the form of YOU that is comprised of consciousness energy.
So, are you saying that we die, or that we don't? Perhaps, you can elaborate? Personally, I do not believe we have always existed, neither do I believe that it is merely the physical body that is resurrected through a dramatic change in form or appearance as many believe. If our consciousness is within our brain (which no one knows for sure), then the resurrection would consist of all the elements that make us who we are, including our consciousness or awareness.

Just for the record, I do not believe that we will be resurrected or reincarnated to come back to this realm of physical existence, or that of a one-thousand year reign of Christianism. Most of what people believe comes from their fear of death and survival instincts. In other words, facing their own mortality.
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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I am aware of that ...but the physical is a part of who I AM presently.

So, are you saying that we die, or that we don't? Perhaps, you can elaborate? Personally, I do not believe we have always existed, neither do I believe that it is merely the physical body that is resurrected through a dramatic change in form or appearance as many believe. If our consciousness is within our brain (which no one knows for sure), then the resurrection would consist of all the elements that make us who we are, including our consciousness or awareness.

Just for the record, I do not believe that we will be resurrected or reincarnated to come back to this realm of physical existence, or that of a one-thousand-year reign of Christianism. Most of what people believe comes from their fear of death and survival instincts. In other words, facing their own mortality.
Our physical body dies but WE do NOT. We are born again but as a Spirit with a spiritual body (whatever that is). Everything we have become spiritually as an embryo spirit during this physical existence will start the next stage as a newborn infant Spirit. We have as little ability to know what that will be like as we did about this life when we were physical babies being born. We agree about the many questionable "precepts and doctrines of men" that litter the Christian narrative, Jer.
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:16 PM
 
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I am aware of that ...but the physical is a part of who I AM presently.

So, are you saying that we die, or that we don't? Perhaps, you can elaborate? Personally, I do not believe we have always existed, neither do I believe that it is merely the physical body that is resurrected through a dramatic change in form or appearance as many believe. If our consciousness is within our brain (which no one knows for sure), then the resurrection would consist of all the elements that make us who we are, including our consciousness or awareness.

Just for the record, I do not believe that we will be resurrected or reincarnated to come back to this realm of physical existence, or that of a one-thousand year reign of Christianism. Most of what people believe comes from their fear of death and survival instincts. In other words, facing their own mortality.
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Our physical body dies but WE do NOT. We are born again but as a Spirit with a spiritual body (whatever that is). Everything we have become spiritually as an embryo spirit during this physical existence will start the next stage as a newborn infant Spirit. We have as little ability to know what that will be like as we did about this life when we were physical babies being born. We agree about the many questionable "precepts and doctrines of men" that litter the Christian narrative, Jer.
I see where you are coming from, thanks for the clarification. Whether or not, one is born anew (again) or goes through a transformation after death, amounts to about the same thing? You know, I wouldn't despise the extreme beliefs of fundamentalism, if it were more reasonable or rational in thought?
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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On YouTube was a Christian who ( presumably in an NDE experience) visited Hell where he saw some occupants being tortured by snakes covered with needles who wrapped themselves around them. In other words, the snake needles would stab the person repeatedly.

In that example that he witnessed, the prisoner was not burning in fire at all. Instead it was just the snakes. So that obviously shows a different degree of punishment. What I want to know is what scriptural passage describes that particular punishment?
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Old 08-10-2018, 07:48 PM
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On YouTube was a Christian who ( presumably in an NDE experience) visited Hell where he saw some occupants being tortured by snakes covered with needles who wrapped themselves around them. In other words, the snake needles would stab the person repeatedly.

In that example that he witnessed, the prisoner was not burning in fire at all. Instead it was just the snakes. So that obviously shows a different degree of punishment. What I want to know is what scriptural passage describes that particular punishment?
It was probably in one of the pieces of papyrus that didn't make Constantinople's cut. Now lost to antiquity.

More's the pity, of course.
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