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Old 08-05-2018, 10:27 AM
 
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According to the Bible, all Non-christians will be sent to Eternal Torture in Fire. But what if a Non- christian has been law-abiding and charitable all his life. Will he be tortured just as much in the fire as Evil-doers?


I'm sure that everybody will agree that murder is the most evil deed of all. So don't you feel that murderers should receive far greater punishment in Hell than others?

The point is that there are crimes and atrocities that are much more evil and heinous than others. Let's say, what if someone was just a pathological Liar, will his punishment in Hell be just as agonizing as all other offenses? Many Christians believe so.

And what about prostitutes and Gamblers and husbands who cheat on their wives? Will they receive just as much punishment, just as much torture in Hell as other offenses? Many Christians believe so.

It's different here on Earth where evildoers receive punishment in different degrees according to the individual severity of their crimes. Why is it reversed in Hell?
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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Who does the devil work for? If he truly rebelled against God, Why would he torment anyone?

& if he truly rebelled, Wouldn't he rather reward than punish souls who chose to follow him?
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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"Hell" is a state of mind in the here and now, and Christians are as prone to being in torment as non-Christians. It's not punishment, but it is the natural consequence of being out of harmony with the God who is love. For instance, if we are condemning others or ourselves, that brings torment, because God condemns no one. Hard to say about "degree" of torment. It may be that the more often and deeply a person experiences the joy and peace and exhilaration of being in harmony with the love of God, the more being out of harmony will torment them.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:45 AM
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According to the Bible, all Non-christians will be sent to Eternal Torture in Fire. But what if a Non- christian has been law-abiding and charitable all his life. Will he be tortured just as much in the fire as Evil-doers?

I'm sure that everybody will agree that murder is the most evil deed of all. So don't you feel that murderers should receive far greater punishment in Hell than others?

The point is that there are crimes and atrocities that are much more evil and heinous than others. Let's say, what if someone was just a pathological Liar, will his punishment in Hell be just as agonizing as all other offenses? Many Christians believe so.

And what about prostitutes and Gamblers and husbands who cheat on their wives? Will they receive just as much punishment, just as much torture in Hell as other offenses? Many Christians believe so.

It's different here on Earth where evildoers receive punishment in different degrees according to the individual severity of their crimes. Why is it reversed in Hell?
Achilles6129 said:

"In this thread I will suggest that the doctrine of eternal torture in hell is a real doctrine and is actually taught in the Bible. I will also suggest that it is totally just and that those that go away into eternal torture are actually getting what they deserve."

I suggest you find a new father,

QUICKLY! VERY QUICKLY!

Run:do not walk!

There is no such thing as eternal punishment or damnation! In fact only KJV uses the word "damnation".

The words endless torment (adialeipton timorion), eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, in conjunction.

Neither, will you find the term aidios timorion or eternal torment.

Therefore, whoever says that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (kalasin) or torment beyond this life is sadly mistaken.

It's a limited duration of aionion(αἰώνιον - a period of time as in an age) kalasin (Κόλασιν - chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. If it were eternal, then the word Aidios would have been used. But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with any kind of punishment or life for that matter.

There are only two places in the New Testament where the word Aidios is used correctly, and they define His Eternal power and divine nature.

Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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According to the Bible, all Non-christians will be sent to Eternal Torture in Fire. But what if a Non- christian has been law-abiding and charitable all his life. Will he be tortured just as much in the fire as Evil-doers?


I'm sure that everybody will agree that murder is the most evil deed of all. So don't you feel that murderers should receive far greater punishment in Hell than others?

The point is that there are crimes and atrocities that are much more evil and heinous than others. Let's say, what if someone was just a pathological Liar, will his punishment in Hell be just as agonizing as all other offenses? Many Christians believe so.

And what about prostitutes and Gamblers and husbands who cheat on their wives? Will they receive just as much punishment, just as much torture in Hell as other offenses? Many Christians believe so.

It's different here on Earth where evildoers receive punishment in different degrees according to the individual severity of their crimes. Why is it reversed in Hell?
Hell is the outer court of Gentiles called the outer court of darkness, there are not different degrees of hell, a person loses all his works, and he loses his resurrection body, but he is still saved, there is still salvation in the outer court of darkness. The torment is the realization that you are the least in the kingdom of heaven when you could have just as easily become Israel, and you chose not to become Israel, and there you are in the court, and it IS a state of being, Even the least in the kingdom of heaven is much greater than any man living on Earth. There are 3 types of resurrection and the outer court is the least of these while the Holy of Holies is the greatest.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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Yes, I do believe there are degrees to hell because God's judgement is based on peoples' deeds; everyone who goes there will receive their portion based on their works in this life. But, make no mistake about it, everyone who goes there is an evildoer. The biggest crime of all is rejecting Jesus.
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Old 08-05-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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From reading 100s of accounts from the Other Side...a hellish place is what you make for yourself.

Example: the man that lived isolated surrounded by gray and brown, dry cracked earth...rocking for decades in his shack mumbling to himself over and over,
"I'll get them... they all lied.. just watch , all hypocrites and liars...they'll see...."
That was his particular hell...that later he evolved out of because of a twinkle in a 'Visitor's' eyes that gave him hope and reminded him of love, actual ,love...not hate.

Here or there we always have guides, helpers that show the way to Divine Love
and the Higher Realms...
kind servants of the Lord to lay breadcrumbs for us.

Now, will anyone in this group believe what I say...prob not. Who minds...
everyone is fine where they are at ... we are all in the perfect place for 'us'.
If some believe our Heavenly Divine Father doles out punishment, well, hey, what can ya do...lol!
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Old 08-05-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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A multitude of Christians in this forum do not believe in the endlessness of hell or the existence of hell at all, neither do I, the topic is debated here for almost ten years now.



Libraries are full of books relating to the topic, you can also google conditional immortality and Christian universalism/Universal reconciliation.


Personally I think there are worse crimes than murder.
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Old 08-05-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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"Hell" is a state of mind in the here and now, and Christians are as prone to being in torment as non-Christians. It's not punishment, but it is the natural consequence of being out of harmony with the God who is love. For instance, if we are condemning others or ourselves, that brings torment, because God condemns no one. Hard to say about "degree" of torment. It may be that the more often and deeply a person experiences the joy and peace and exhilaration of being in harmony with the love of God, the more being out of harmony will torment them.
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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And, the here and now continues on 'The Other Side". Wherever we go there we are....


Emily Dickinson:


Who has not found the Heaven--below--
Will fail it above--
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