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Old 08-17-2018, 03:19 AM
 
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You would know nothing about the New Covenant without scripture.

Did you forget god supposedly wrote his new rules on your heart? No need for scripture, right?

Or is that BS jimmiej?
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:30 AM
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Did you forget god supposedly wrote his new rules on your heart? No need for scripture, right?

Or is that BS jimmiej?
Creation speaks of God, but to know specifically about Jesus and His redemptive work, we must look to scripture.
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:21 AM
 
Location: central Florida
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I heard eternity explained this way. Imagine the tallest mountain in the world. Every one-hundred years (ie once per century) a bird flies over the top of it carrying a feather in its mouth. The feather is used to "scoop" away at the mountain.

You can imagine how long it would take to clear the entire mountain down at that rate, correct?

Well, think about this. After a TRILLION mountains had already been cleared away by this method, then that would only be the beginning of eternity. And imagine being in unbearable, excruciating torment all that time.

That's how it will be for anyone who doesn't accept the speaker's stated "plan of salvation".

What do you think of this evangelical message?
You have an active imagination, but you haven't come anywhere near close to a definition of eternity.

Your example is based upon TIME....lots and lots of it, but it doesn't define eternity.

Eternity is defined by secular dictionaries as that which exists outside of Time.

With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. - 2 Peter 3:8b

The Biblical definition of eternity is a spiritual version. It's probably the clearest and best, not just because it's God's Word, but because it expresses in a single sentence the nature of what it must be like.

Timeless.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:04 PM
 
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The fact that we would know nothing about Jesus without the Bible does NOT mean the Bible MUST be infallible and inerrant or that any of our ancestors were infallible and inerrant interpreters of the inspirations or teachings they received. Where does this irrational belief of yours come from, Jimmie? The Bible can contain inspirations from God without being either infallible or inerrant.
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Did you forget god supposedly wrote his new rules on your heart? No need for scripture, right?
Or is that BS jimmiej?

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Creation speaks of God, but to know specifically about Jesus and His redemptive work, we must look to scripture.
To know ABOUT Jesus is only half the requirement. We have to follow His instructions and believe Him that His death instituted a New Covenant. That Jesus now abides with us as the Comforter (Holy Spirit of agape) sent in His name to guide us to the Truth God has "written in our hearts." You ignore the second half, Jimmie and reject what is in your heart for words "written in ink" and interpreted into "precepts and doctrines of men." Sad, very sad, .
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:17 PM
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To know ABOUT Jesus is only half the requirement. We have to follow His instructions and believe Him that His death instituted a New Covenant. That Jesus now abides with us as the Comforter (Holy Spirit of agape) sent in His name to guide us to the Truth God has "written in our hearts." You ignore the second half, Jimmie and reject what is in your heart for words "written in ink" and interpreted into "precepts and doctrines of men." Sad, very sad, .
No, I don’t. You’re description of my understanding is incorrect. It is possible to believe 2 Tim. 3:16 and be guided by the spirit of God.

What is sad doctor, is that you do NOT believe Jesus.
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:39 PM
 
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No, I don’t. Your description of my understanding is incorrect. It is possible to believe 2 Tim. 3:16 and be guided by the spirit of God.
What is sad doctor, is that you do NOT believe Jesus.
No, Jimmie, what is sad is that you do not know the true purpose of scripture and the mission of Jesus. The OT was necessary to establish the expectation of Jesus and predict the way His life and death would occur and the impact He would have for millennia. Jesus fulfilled all the expectations of His day and for every day since for 2000+ years. That is what fulfilling the OT means and that is what validates Christianity. The veil of ignorance that blinded our ancestors to God's TRUE NATURE from the misinterpretations of the OT was lifted by Jesus and His example and teaching. It has no further role in understanding God only for validating Jesus and providing hope. Jesus is the TRUE NATURE of God, NOT the heinous misunderstandings of the OT. The prophecies being fulfilled for 2000+ years despite the errors in the OT are sufficient validation.

All those heinous things attributed to God in the OT were no part of God they were evil and only humans do evil. The forces of anti-Christ have the biggest weapon - human ignorance and convincing humans that to be ignorant is what God wants and prefers. Anti-Christs have convinced the ignorant that fear of God is what God wants because it eliminates any true love of God and each other. The primitive motivation of fear of wrath and punishment hides the true desire of God's loving concern for us to avoid the natural consequences of our failure to mature spiritually. These heinous beliefs in scripture are proof positive that the Spirit of anti-Christ is alive and well in the world and has been since the death of Jesus who came to do away with such primitive impressions of God. I weep for those who will probably hear "Depart from me . . ." when they were only trying to follow God by exalting ignorance as a virtue.

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Old 08-18-2018, 04:59 AM
 
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No, I don’t. You’re description of my understanding is incorrect. It is possible to believe 2 Tim. 3:16 and be guided by the spirit of God.

What is sad doctor, is that you do NOT believe Jesus.
Jesus is NOT the Bible.
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:14 PM
 
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Jesus is NOT the Bible.

God showed all how ultra important it is to listen to Jesus. He spoke out of heaven at Jesus baptism( super rarity) and said---This is my son the beloved in whom I am well pleased--LISTEN TO HIM.
It seems very hard for most to do that.
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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God showed all how ultra important it is to listen to Jesus.
He spoke out of heaven at Jesus' baptism( super rarity)
It's not so rare for God to speak from Heaven, per se...But for all present to hear Him?...Oh my Yes!
So, I would say....haha...It's a good time to do exactly what He said!!!!

Listen and 'do' what Jesus says, yes, indeed!!!
And it's not so hard...practice makes perfect.


Example: Babysteps...for a week Give him your burdens, every single one and see what happens!
Another week...Do not worry...be anxious for nothing.
For 2 solid days...Seek the Kingdom of Heaven first...24/7, try a weekend when you can unplug everything.
You get the point...
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:21 PM
 
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No, I don’t. You’re description of my understanding is incorrect. It is possible to believe 2 Tim. 3:16 and be guided by the spirit of God.

What is sad doctor, is that you do NOT believe Jesus.
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Jesus is NOT the Bible.
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God showed all how ultra important it is to listen to Jesus. He spoke out of heaven at Jesus baptism (super rarity) and said---This is my son the beloved in whom I am well pleased--LISTEN TO HIM.
It seems very hard for most to do that.
Did you hear that small, still, voice out of heaven that whispers to your soul like that of a gentle breeze, or was it merely your thoughts or the thoughts of your earthly teachers that you were hearing?
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