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Old 08-18-2018, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I'm not sure the point of what you write. So lemme do this, if you're okay with it. Lemme ask you a few questions to see where you stand; sort of establish a baseline if you will. Are you ok with that? I'm just a little concerned because I posted scripture, verbatim, and you essentially ignored it.

1. Do you believe that we can be sin free, here on earth? Like literally never sin?

2. Do you believe that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, i.e. acknowledge that he died on the cross for your sins, and to repent and turn away from your sin nature and accept him as Lord and Savior?

That's it for now, if I think of anymore, I'l post them. Thanks
I get to participate too.

1. I believe that it is possible to live without sin, though only one person ever achieved it for life.

2. You place the emphasis on the person of Jesus rather than the "Way" that He said He IS. I think you miss the point that this "Way" stems from a concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation that is "agape." "Salvation" is no more a formal acceptance of doctrine concerning the person of Jesus than it is a way to escape from Hell: it is salvation from the futility of a life governed by selfishness INTO that "love." With that point made, your doctrinal assertion is not wrong, just slightly out of kilter.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: New England
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I'm not sure the point of what you write. So lemme do this, if you're okay with it. Lemme ask you a few questions to see where you stand; sort of establish a baseline if you will. Are you ok with that? I'm just a little concerned because I posted scripture, verbatim, and you essentially ignored it.

1. Do you believe that we can be sin free, here on earth? Like literally never sin?

2. Do you believe that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, i.e. acknowledge that he died on the cross for your sins, and to repent and turn away from your sin nature and accept him as Lord and Savior?

That's it for now, if I think of anymore, I'l post them. Thanks
Let me just say this, I do not give sin in myself or another a second thought. I walk in unconditional love towards self and others. If I have harmed another then and then only do I concern myself with sin, even then Iím not bawling and wailing, because I know when sin abounds grace Super abounds.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:08 AM
 
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Let me just say this, I do not give sin in myself or another a second thought. I walk in unconditional love towards self and others. If I have harmed another then and then only do I concern myself with sin, even then I’m not bawling and wailing, because I know when sin abounds grace Super abounds.
You made not attempt whatsoever to answer my questions. That, in and of itself is an answer and concerns me deeply. Jesus isn't our "bro", God's not our "co-pilot". They are holy, to be respected and revered. We are loved, despite our sin and the only thing required back is commitment. You keep talking about this nebulous "love", but would you mind telling me where it comes from? Thanks
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:11 AM
 
Location: New England
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You made not attempt whatsoever to answer my questions. That, in and of itself is an answer and concerns me deeply. Jesus isn't our "bro", God's not our "co-pilot". They are holy, to be respected and revered. We are loved, despite our sin and the only thing required back is commitment. You keep talking about this nebulous, but would you mind telling me where it comes from? Thanks
Let me ask you this. You said God does not call you a dirtbag, so how do you believe he does see you ?
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:11 AM
 
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I get to participate too.

1. I believe that it is possible to live without sin, though only one person ever achieved it for life.

2. You place the emphasis on the person of Jesus rather than the "Way" that He said He IS. I think you miss the point that this "Way" stems from a concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation that is "agape." "Salvation" is no more a formal acceptance of doctrine concerning the person of Jesus than it is a way to escape from Hell: it is salvation from the futility of a life governed by selfishness INTO that "love." With that point made, your doctrinal assertion is not wrong, just slightly out of kilter.
1. Then you're calling God a liar, if you believe that all scripture is the inherent Word of God:

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

2. I don't understand your point; it's a little unclear. There is but one way to get to Heaven and that is through the redemptive love of God in Jesus Christ, i.e. acknowledge and turn from your sin, accept that Jesus died on the cross for your sins and lie in the Spirit. Jesus called it being "born again".
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:14 AM
 
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Let me ask you this. You said God does not call you a dirtbag, so how do you believe he does see you ?
He loves me even though I don't deserve it. And neither do you. You, like me and every human on earth lies, gets jealous, is selfish, etc. But despite all of that, he still loves us and that brings me such joy and makes me want to live for him. Our loving heavenly father is Awesome!
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:17 AM
 
Location: New England
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Originally Posted by Sophiasmommy View Post
I'm not sure the point of what you write. So lemme do this, if you're okay with it. Lemme ask you a few questions to see where you stand; sort of establish a baseline if you will. Are you ok with that? I'm just a little concerned because I posted scripture, verbatim, and you essentially ignored it.

1. Do you believe that we can be sin free, here on earth? Like literally never sin?

2. Do you believe that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, i.e. acknowledge that he died on the cross for your sins, and to repent and turn away from your sin nature and accept him as Lord and Savior?

That's it for now, if I think of anymore, I'l post them. Thanks
Do I believe Jesus is the only way to heaven ? Do you have a scripture that state that? Of cause you donít unless you believe being saved is being saved from hell to heaven, which Iím sure you do believe. Now show me a scripture that states clearly that you are saved from hell. I will PayPal you a $1000 right now if you show me one verse of scripture that actually says that Jesus Christ saved you from the hell you obviously believe in. You are saved from sin(missing the mark) so that you are no longer owned by it so you can live how God intended for you , in love , joy and peace.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:19 AM
 
Location: New England
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Originally Posted by Sophiasmommy View Post
I'm not sure the point of what you write. So lemme do this, if you're okay with it. Lemme ask you a few questions to see where you stand; sort of establish a baseline if you will. Are you ok with that? I'm just a little concerned because I posted scripture, verbatim, and you essentially ignored it.

1. Do you believe that we can be sin free, here on earth? Like literally never sin?

2. Do you believe that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, i.e. acknowledge that he died on the cross for your sins, and to repent and turn away from your sin nature and accept him as Lord and Savior?

That's it for now, if I think of anymore, I'l post them. Thanks
Do I believe we can live sin free here on earth?. Well if you are praying the Loeds will ďthy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, would you agree there is no sin in heaven ?
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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You made not attempt whatsoever to answer my questions. That, in and of itself is an answer and concerns me deeply. Jesus isn't our "bro", God's not our "co-pilot". They are holy, to be respected and revered. We are loved, despite our sin and the only thing required back is commitment. You keep talking about this nebulous, but would you mind telling me where it comes from? Thanks
He doesn't fit into your doctrinal box, does he?

Let me translate for you:
Answer to question 1: It is possible to live without being concerned about "sin" until you realize that you have hurt someone. It is far better to go from victory to victory than to get bogged down in the mistakes that we or others make.

Answer to question 2: I believe that the only way to live NOW is in the love that Jesus taught.

How close am I pcamps?
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:25 AM
 
Location: New England
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He doesn't fit into your doctrinal box, does he?

Let me translate for you:
Answer to question 1: It is possible to live without being concerned about "sin" until you realize that you have hurt someone. It is far better to go from victory to victory than to get bogged down in the mistakes that we or others make.

Answer to question 2: I believe that the only way to live NOW is in the love that Jesus taught.

How close am I pcamps?
So close i can feel you
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