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Old 08-19-2018, 07:32 AM
 
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What should it be called if you give a book the power of God without the name?
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Old 08-19-2018, 07:41 AM
 
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then why do evangelicals ONLY quote the bible and not god? also, why are the ONLY written words used to quote god over 3000 years old? Why has god not spoken to evangelicals since the Crucifixion?
How do you know which God is speaking to you? How do you know if there is one God or many Gods?
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Old 08-19-2018, 07:53 AM
 
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Is it not authoritative, inerrant and infallible from your perspective?
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What should it be called if you give a book the power of God without the name?

These are points which should not be ignored.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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The Bible makes no such claim for itself. You and the "precepts and doctrines of men" do. God is inerrant and infallible nothing else. When you make a book inerrant and infallible, you make it a God. That is why you err. Jesus is the Word of God, NOT the Bible. Jesus abides with us as the Comforter sent in His name to guide us to the Truth God has already "written in our hearts" so we do not need anyone to teach us. You reject the New Covenant and the Comforter in favor of the Old Covenant "written in ink" and stone. Sad, very sad.
The apostles who wrote the New Testament knew that what they taught, whether orally are in writing, was the word of God and not the word of men. That makes the Bible the word of God.

1 Thess. 2:13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.

Paul recognized that his letters were the commandments of God.

1 Cor. 14:37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment.

Having been chosen by Jesus, the apostles bore the delegated authority of Jesus, and by extension, so do their writings.

In claiming that an inerrant book must be God, by your line of reasoning, an inerrant telephone book, being without error, being accurate in all of its listings, must be God.

And don't talk to me about the precepts and doctrines of men when you elevate your own personal beliefs and opinions above that of the apostles. Let's see. . . you claim that God is the Universe. You've claimed that dark energy is God's consciousness. That entire thread of yours in the Religion forum is nothing but your own personal precepts and doctrines.

The Bible is both the word of God and a collection of books written by human authors under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Your objections and opinions don't change that fact.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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How do you know which God is speaking to you?

Do you understand how to test the spirit of something that is said? If what you are hearing from whatever source is antithetical to love, then it cannot be from the God who is love. If, on the other hand, it inspires one to love, joy, peace, etc., then you're on the right track.

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How do you know if there is one God or many Gods?
If your desire is to align yourself with the God who is love, does it matter how many G/gods there are?
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:13 AM
 
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Do you understand how to test the spirit of something that is said? If what you are hearing from whatever source is antithetical to love, then it cannot be from the God who is love. If, on the other hand, it inspires one to love, joy, peace, etc., then you're on the right track.



If your desire is to align yourself with the God who is love, does it matter how many G/gods there are?
Love is subjective...one person's love, joy, peace, etc., can be another person's hell.


How do you know which God is speaking to you? How do you know if there is one God or many Gods?
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:14 AM
 
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In claiming that an inerrant book must be God, by your line of reasoning, an inerrant telephone book, being without error, being accurate in all of its listings, must be God. ...
Does such an animal exist? But even if it does, do you insist that people must check and conform everything they believe and do with this supposedly inerrant phone book?
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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Love is subjective...one person's love, joy, peace, etc., can be another person's hell.
What?
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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Love is subjective...one person's love, joy, peace, etc., can be another person's hell.
Then make sure you're listening to the one that leads you to your love, joy and peace and not to your hell, and trust that the God who is love is capable of leading others as well.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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Then make sure you're listening to the one that leads you to your love, joy and peace and not to your hell, and trust that the God who is love is capable of leading others as well.
Your heaven can be hell for the next guy, but that does not seem to stop people from trying to browbeat others into submission.
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