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Old 08-20-2018, 10:58 AM
 
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God according to evangelicals has separated himself from us because of our sin, how is that any different from turning his back on us. You know perfectly well you believe there is a gulf between God and man unless man reaches out to Jesus. If God has not turned his back on us then there is nothing to be corncerned about , right?. Is not that a fair statement?.
Yep. All the claims of supposed "incorrect assertions" is just a way to skirt the real heart of the issue.
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:02 AM
 
Location: New England
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Yes, it fails at many levels.
How long will you remain in the darkness of denial?.See post #419
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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God according to evangelicals has separated himself from us because of our sin, how is that any different from turning his back on us. You know perfectly well you believe there is a gulf between God and man unless man reaches out to Jesus. If God has not turned his back on us then there is nothing to be corncerned about , right?. Is not that a fair statement?.
Not OUR sin (assuming you mean sinful actions)... but the presence of sin in us.

His back is not turned... our back is turned by default (except Adam).

Does a gulf separate us from God - yes. But not because of God.

Fair statement? I don't know if it's fair or not - it's just wrong. Again - God has not turned His back on mankind, yet the the gulf exists until one exercises faith in Christ, His death for sins, and His physical resurrection to new life.
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:19 AM
 
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Not OUR sin (assuming you mean sinful actions)... but the presence of sin in us.

His back is not turned... our back is turned by default (except Adam).

Does a gulf separate us from God - yes. But not because of God.

Fair statement? I don't know if it's fair or not - it's just wrong. Again - God has not turned His back on mankind, yet the the gulf exists until one exercises faith in Christ, His death for sins, and His physical resurrection to new life.
That is correct. God said if you return to me I will return to you.

Exercising faith is more than just declaring: "Jesus is my Lord and Savior".

He wants us back and too many want what Adam did. To do things their own way and not His, so they do not return to Him, they turn their back on God instead.
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:22 AM
 
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From Peter Enns' book, The Sin of Certainty: (chapters given only---it is an e-book)

Chapter The Lie: It's All Your Fault

Chapter Down the Mine Shaft

Chapter The Truth: God Wants You Dead

You are a control freak, Mike, and the Bible means nothing to you except for your own view of it and your prideful ability to interpret it.

God wants you dead--so that you can live again by being obedient to Jesus.
No, that would be you as the very fact that you are posting all of this in attempt to 'correct me' shows.

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Old 08-20-2018, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It does no look like people understood the chair story, since they think it is about life after death. Version-1 of the story claims God turned His back on people before Christ was born. It has nothing to do with what will, or will not happen after we die.

God did not turn His back on people, he spoke to Abraham, Moses, the prophets, He sent Jesus etc.
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Old 08-20-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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It does no look like people understood the chair story, since they think it is about life after death. Version-1 of the story claims God turned His back on people before Christ was born. It has nothing to do with what will, or will not happen after we die.

God did not turn His back on people, he spoke to Abraham, Moses, the prophets, He sent Jesus etc.
LMAO Comedy Gold. I saw what you did there ..... "God did not turn his back on his people", how about those who are not his people ?.
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Old 08-20-2018, 12:59 PM
 
Location: New England
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Not OUR sin (assuming you mean sinful actions)... but the presence of sin in us.

His back is not turned... our back is turned by default (except Adam).

Does a gulf separate us from God - yes. But not because of God.

Fair statement? I don't know if it's fair or not - it's just wrong. Again - God has not turned His back on mankind, yet the the gulf exists until one exercises faith in Christ, His death for sins, and His physical resurrection to new life.
Come on, quit these mullberry bush games. No it is not a fair statement, you believe and do not deny it that God has separated himself from us because of our sin. You do know that God conversed with what you call fallen man outside of Eden, i'm sure you are familiar with the Cain and Abel story.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:33 PM
 
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I'm not pcamps and therefore not on the spot, but I am curious. Are you saying that you do not question that the Book of Revelation is the word of God because John, the author, said it was the word of God? That's what it seems to say here. If I am missing something, correct me.
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He is not saying that John said that, he is claiming that God said it to Jesus, who said it to John, therefore, it must be true.
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So what you are saying is it went through all the necessary channels ?.
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That depends on the motivation of those reading, it's the spirit of the thing, not the thing itself that talks to me.
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Make sure you don't write it down, because if you do, its dismissed as some garbage written by man.
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If it IS garbage it should be dismissed. In NO case would I expect anyone to think it is authoritative.
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He is not sharing what it is, so we'll never know.
If you want to convince a fundamentalist, just declare that God said, as you write it down?
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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That is correct. God said if you return to me I will return to you.

Exercising faith is more than just declaring: "Jesus is my Lord and Savior".

He wants us back and too many want what Adam did. To do things their own way and not His, so they do not return to Him, they turn their back on God instead.
It has been my experience that it's NOT God people turn-away from, it's religious fanaticism.
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