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Old 08-12-2018, 01:47 PM
 
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SOME OF MY STRONGEST BELIEFS IN THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

I believe that the words of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount gives the best formula for bringing peace with our neighbors. He said in Matt. 5:[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

I believe further that God would be greatly pleased if everyone on the face of the earth would be saved. See 2 Peter 3:[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any of them should perish.

Jesus said in Luke 15:[4] What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? . . . . [7] I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

See the words of Jesus in Luke 18:[9] And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [10] Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. [14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

I believe that many who claim to be followers of Christ are trying to save themselves by doing good works. Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Timothy Keller in his book, THE REASON FOR GOD [Belief in an Age
of Skepticism] wrote that,"Good works may produce a great deal of
moral behavior in your life, but inside you are filled
with self-righteousness, cruelty and bigotry [like the Pharisee above.] You are always comparing yourself to other people and are never sure you are
being good enough - by trying to be a good person through an act of will. You need a complete transformation of the very motives of your heart."

I understand that the scribes and Pharisees in the lifetime of Jesus had over 600 individual laws that they claimed to be following, but Jesus said in Matt. 22:37-40 that the law of righteousness was encompassed in the two great commandments to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and to love our neighbor as much as we love ourselves.

The Apostle Paul summarized it all in Rom. 7:[6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

If we TRULY REPENT of our past sins and believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God we will inherit everlasting life. But we must receive the Holy Spirit, which Jesus said our heavenly Father would surely give to every one who asks Him for it.

Jesus said in Luke 1:13] If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

If we have truly repented, that Spirit will make it possible for us to bring forth some of the fruits of the Spirit - see Gal. 5:[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

If we have received the Holy Spirit and are willing to follow His guidance, we will all make many mistakes as we grow in our knowledge of the truth, but John tells us in 1 John 1:[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

My precious wife Celia inspired me to label the following as some of my favorite verses in the New Testament:
James 3: [17] But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Phillipians:4: [11] Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.[12] I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.[13] I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Best wishes to all who are seeking to know the will of God, AND ARE SEEKING TO DO IT.

Bob Prince [rprin47@gmail.com]
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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Hi Robert. Good post. One thing I'd like to point out though is that when Jesus said in Luke 11:13;
Luke 11:13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?",
The church-age had not yet begun and so the Holy Spirit did not yet universally indwell all believers as He does now. During the age of Israel in which Jesus lived, died, and was resurrected, a person could ask to be endued with the Holy Spirit. But since the beginning of the church-age, with a few exceptions right at the very beginning of the church, every believer is automatically indwelt by the Holy Spirit and there is no need to ask to receive Him.
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:15 PM
 
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The Spirit of life dwells within all of humanity, but not all are a representative of that which is holy.
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Old 08-12-2018, 04:15 PM
 
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Hi Robert. Good post. One thing I'd like to point out though is that when Jesus said in Luke 11:13;
Luke 11:13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?",
The church-age had not yet begun and so the Holy Spirit did not yet universally indwell all believers as He does now. During the age of Israel in which Jesus lived, died, and was resurrected, a person could ask to be endued with the Holy Spirit. But since the beginning of the church-age, with a few exceptions right at the very beginning of the church, every believer is automatically indwelt by the Holy Spirit and there is no need to ask to receive Him.
::Sigh:: If only you realized that the death and REBIRTH of Jesus as Holy Spirit within the collective human consciousness is why EVERYONE is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, you would realize that all your concern over what or who to believe is irrelevant. Just listen to Jesus who abides with us as the Comforter sent in Christ's name to guide us ALL to the Truth God has "written in our hearts" so we do NOT need any human to teach us. Act out of agape love for God and each other and you cannot "sin" or in any other way offend God or Jesus.
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Old 08-12-2018, 05:44 PM
 
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::Sigh:: If only you realized that the death and REBIRTH of Jesus as Holy Spirit within the collective human consciousness is why EVERYONE is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, you would realize that all your concern over what or who to believe is irrelevant. Just listen to Jesus who abides with us as the Comforter sent in Christ's name to guide us ALL to the Truth God has "written in our hearts" so we do NOT need any human to teach us. Act out of agape love for God and each other and you cannot "sin" or in any other way offend God or Jesus.
Your beliefs are not Biblical and are not in keeping with the apostolic teachings. The apostles were led to all the truth by the Holy Spirit. The New Testament letters are one result. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit does not indwell everyone. He indwells all church-age believers.

And your claim that human teachers are not necessary is also contrary to what is taught in the Bible. For example, the apostle Paul states in Ephesians 4:11-16 that Jesus gave the gift of apostles, and pastors, and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work and service, to the building up of the body of Christ. The writer of Hebrews in chapter 5:12 tells his readers that they should have been teachers by that time but are instead in need of being retaught themselves.

You've invented your own belief system which is at odds with the apostolic teaching and I'll have none of it. Sell it to someone else.

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Old 08-12-2018, 06:02 PM
 
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Though i shouldn't, i find the "it's not biblical" repulsive, Jesus never used such a way to teach the way. So why we do we today use it like a weight we impose on the neck with all we are not in agreement with?.
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Old 08-12-2018, 06:32 PM
 
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Your beliefs are not Biblical and are not in keeping with the apostolic teachings. The apostles were led to all the truth by the Holy Spirit. The New Testament letters are one result. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit does not indwell everyone. He indwells all church-age believers.

And your claim that human teachers are not necessary is also contrary to what is taught in the Bible. For example, the apostle Paul states in Ephesians 4:11-16 that Jesus gave the gift of apostles, and pastors, and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work and service, to the building up of the body of Christ. The writer of Hebrews in chapter 5:12 tells his readers that they should have been teachers by that time but are instead in need of being retaught themselves.

You've invented your own belief system which is at odds with the apostolic teaching and I'll have none of it. Sell it to someone else.
It's the Spirit itself that bears witness with our spirit; not all church age believers' are representatives of that which is holy.
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Old 08-12-2018, 06:34 PM
 
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Your beliefs are not Biblical and are not in keeping with the apostolic teachings. The apostles were led to all the truth by the Holy Spirit. The New Testament letters are one result. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit does not indwell everyone. He indwells all church-age believers.

And your claim that human teachers are not necessary is also contrary to what is taught in the Bible. For example, the apostle Paul states in Ephesians 4:11-16 that Jesus gave the gift of apostles, and pastors, and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work and service, to the building up of the body of Christ. The writer of Hebrews in chapter 5:12 tells his readers that they should have been teachers by that time but are instead in need of being retaught themselves.

You've invented your own belief system which is at odds with the apostolic teaching and I'll have none of it. Sell it to someone else.

Yet...

2 Peter 3
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
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Old 08-12-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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Your beliefs are not Biblical and are not in keeping with the apostolic teachings. The apostles were led to all the truth by the Holy Spirit. The New Testament letters are one result. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit does not indwell everyone. He indwells all church-age believers.
Are you denying your own beliefs about Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit? Are they NOT one? Is Jesus' Spirit NOT the same Spirit who is God and who is the Holy Spirit?
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And your claim that human teachers are not necessary is also contrary to what is taught in the Bible. For example, the apostle Paul states in Ephesians 4:11-16 that Jesus gave the gift of apostles, and pastors, and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work and service, to the building up of the body of Christ. The writer of Hebrews in chapter 5:12 tells his readers that they should have been teachers by that time but are instead in need of being retaught themselves.
Are you denying this:

John 16:7-14 King James Version (KJV)
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


John 14:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 (King James Version)
27But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.
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You've invented your own belief system which is at odds with the apostolic teaching and I'll have none of it. Sell it to someone else.
I have invented nothing. I have reinterpreted what is scriptural and was poorly understood by ignorant primitive men.
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Old 08-12-2018, 08:53 PM
 
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Are you denying your own beliefs about Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit? Are they NOT one? Is Jesus' Spirit NOT the same Spirit who is God and who is the Holy Spirit? Are you denying this:

John 16:7-14 King James Version (KJV)
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


John 14:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 (King James Version)
27But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.
I have invented nothing. I have reinterpreted what is scriptural and was poorly understood by ignorant primitive men.
God is Triune. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are God. One God in three persons. But the Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit, and Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. As a man, Jesus was not reborn as the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is mentioned in the Old Testament long before the second person of the Trinity came into the world as a member of the human race. The Holy Spirit and Jesus are shown to be distinct 'persons.' The very passages you posted show the distinction between Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

You ignore the fact that Ephesians 4:11-16 and Hebrews 5:12 say that human teachers are a necessity and appeal to 1 John 2:27 to argue that ''ye need not that any man teach you'', ignoring the context of that verse in which John was writing to believers who were already relatively spiritually mature believers because they had already previously been taught. You can't ignore the greater context of the Bible which plainly shows believers being taught by human apostles and teachers, and claim that human teachers aren't necessary because of one verse which you don't even understand.

You have invented your own theology and place yourself above the apostles to whom Jesus did promise that they would be led to all the truth by the Holy Spirit. You imagine yourself to have a better understanding of God than the apostles whom you arrogantly dismiss as ignorant primitive men.

Again, Jesus promised the apostles that they would be led to all the truth by the Holy Spirit. You claim that you are led to all the truth by the Holy Spirit, but what you claim is true is not what the apostles teach.
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