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Well, of course, some people love to shun others for the fun of it all as well.
Personally, in all the time I've known camps on this forum (which is years now), I've never gotten the impression that either of those motives is true of him, but you know … asking is a way to go.
Whether you believe that that's enough or take it a step further (as I would) that "God" is that which connects us all and enables us to tap into the universe through that connection, it is certainly worth realizing and contemplating.
I have been to a vernal equinox event given by a group of Catholic nuns who run an organization called Waterspirit that focuses on protecting the planet, particularly its oceans.
We were each given a small piece of fruit to hold in our hands and contemplate that we and that piece of fruit all came from the same "star stuff" that Sagan referred to. The point was to understand and realize our connection to the universe and to one another.
The nuns' retreat was located on the beach, so afterward we went outside in the darkness in silence to spend some time gazing at the stars at a point where the continent meets the ocean.
I'm sure many would find it corny, but I enjoyed it and found it refreshing. When you allow your mind to go there, so much else fades into pettiness.
My favorite place to contemplate the universe is an old, no longer used, parking lot up above Mirror Lake in Yosemite NP. No cars are allowed to drive up to that old parking lot any longer. It's completely dark up there at night, so there is no light pollution. The stars at that altitude (roughly 4,000 feet) are breathtaking. I'm getting too old now, but I use to strap my telescope to my back and bicycle up there for clear star gazing. But honestly, just laying out on my back and observing the universe spread out before me is spectacular. I really am the universe contemplating itself. That is all the life affirmation I have ever required. I don't really need to feel more special than that.
Personally, in all the time I've known camps on this forum (which is years now), I've never gotten the impression that either of those motives is true of him, but you know … asking is a way to go.
I'd rather address the OP as I don't understand how fundamentalism relates to proof of God(s) without using the Bible.
If anyone has any knowledge of any of the Biblical archeology I for one would sure love to hear it. Has anyone visited any of the Biblical landmarks?
I'm genuinely curious. Every thread on Christianity and proof thereof ends up going back to Biblical quotes. So, to Christians in C-D land, what other evidence exists?
IMO, many Christians consider most everything evidence for the existence of a deity. Whether it's evolution or sunrises, it's all due to God. Kind of like someone who believes in ghosts and is convinced that the retro-reflected dust particles in a photo are actually spirit orbs.
IMO, many Christians consider most everything evidence for the existence of a deity. Whether it's evolution or sunrises, it's all due to God. Kind of like someone who believes in ghosts and is convinced that the retro-reflected dust particles in a photo are actually spirit orbs.
Ah. And you assumed that was camps motive? Let's just ask him. Camps, are you coming from a deeply hurt place?
. HaHa. I wouldn't know what a deeply hurt place is for it to touch me and that goes for being the former zealous fundamentalist that i was to the present place i live in. I'm a very fortunate man.
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. HaHa. I wouldn't know what a deeply hurt place is for it to touch me and that goes for being the former zealous fundamentalist that i was to the present place i live in. I'm a very fortunate man.
