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Old 08-21-2018, 08:57 PM
 
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We do think it best not to be irrational, yes. Of course there is more to reality than love; there is that which is opposed to the nature of God which is love. You keep saying, "love, BUT..." as if anything else ABOUT God would contradict THAT nature.
You dismiss divine revelation in favor of rational thought. What you cannot understand, what doesn't seem rational to you, you reject. But reality is not limited to what seems rational to you.

You place limitations on God. There is more to God than love, and divine justice demands judgment on sin and evil. The cross took care of the sin problem, but anyone who fails to avail himself of God's provision of salvation through faith in Christ Jesus remains under eternal condemnation. That is what the Bible teaches, no matter how much you reject it.
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Old 08-21-2018, 09:02 PM
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You dismiss divine revelation in favor of rational thought. What you cannot understand, what doesn't seem rational to you, you reject. But reality is not limited to what seems rational to you.

You place limitations on God. There is more to God than love, and divine justice demands judgment on sin and evil. The cross took care of the sin problem, but anyone who fails to avail himself of God's provision of salvation through faith in Christ Jesus remains under eternal condemnation. That is what the Bible teaches, no matter how much you reject it.
The bible teaches a lot of crap. Most educated, empathetic people possessed of common sense can separate the crap from the stuff worth pondering.

It's unfortunate you are one of those who cannot.
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Old 08-21-2018, 09:20 PM
 
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You dismiss divine revelation in favor of rational thought. What you cannot understand, what doesn't seem rational to you, you reject. But reality is not limited to what seems rational to you.

You place limitations on God. There is more to God than love, and divine justice demands judgment on sin and evil. The cross took care of the sin problem, but anyone who fails to avail himself of God's provision of salvation through faith in Christ Jesus remains under eternal condemnation. That is what the Bible teaches, no matter how much you reject it.
That is not what it teaches, it's what you have been taught to believe.
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Old 08-21-2018, 09:30 PM
 
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We do think it best not to be irrational, yes. Of course there is more to reality than love; there is that which is opposed to the nature of God which is love. You keep saying, "love, BUT..." as if anything else ABOUT God would contradict THAT nature.
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You dismiss divine revelation in favor of rational thought. What you cannot understand, what doesn't seem rational to you, you reject. But reality is not limited to what seems rational to you.

You place limitations on God. There is more to God than love, and divine justice demands judgment on sin and evil. The cross took care of the sin problem, but anyone who fails to avail himself of God's provision of salvation through faith in Christ Jesus remains under eternal condemnation. That is what the Bible teaches, no matter how much you reject it.
I also reject controllers and viciousness, don't forget that. "Divine justice" does not demand punishment, it demands reconciliation, the cross shows the way.
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Old 08-22-2018, 12:05 AM
 
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What a hypocrite you are. Your beliefs are nothing but your own personal precepts. You do not use the mind of Christ. Again, you deny that Jesus is God and you deny the existence of angels. You don't believe that Satan is a real being. You do believe that God is the Universe and that dark energy is God's consciousness, and that is your own personal precept of men.
Your beliefs are not Biblical and are not in line with Christianity.
I do not deny that Jesus is God, Mike, I understand it differently than you do with your jargon of hypostatic unions and kenosis. God is Spirit. God IS agape love. Spirit is consciousness. God's Holy Spirit is consciousness characterized by agape love. Jesus brought God's consciousness and perfect agape love to His human consciousness connecting us all to God. That is how He is God. That is why when we see Jesus we see the Father, not all your rigamarole and jargon. That is why when we love we know God and Jesus and are born of God. As long as we harmonize with Christ's perfect agape love (Grace) we attain the cover for our imperfect love. Satan is within all of us as the reptilian brain that is the source of all our baser urges. You can continue to see Satan as some supernatural being but it is illogical. As for angels, I know virtually nothing about those who inhabit the next stage within the Spirit world so the idea of angels or guardians or whatever is beyond my ken. They would not be inconsistent with a loving God.
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Old 08-22-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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You dismiss divine revelation in favor of rational thought. What you cannot understand, what doesn't seem rational to you, you reject. But reality is not limited to what seems rational to you.

You place limitations on God. There is more to God than love, and divine justice demands judgment on sin and evil. The cross took care of the sin problem, but anyone who fails to avail himself of God's provision of salvation through faith in Christ Jesus remains under eternal condemnation. That is what the Bible teaches, no matter how much you reject it.
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That is not what it teaches, it's what you have been taught to believe.
It is precisely what the Bible teaches.
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Old 08-22-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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I also reject controllers and viciousness, don't forget that. "Divine justice" does not demand punishment, it demands reconciliation, the cross shows the way.
Divine justice demands judgment on sin and evil. This is clearly taught in the Bible. Jesus came into the world and went to the cross to take the judgment for our sins thereby reconciling man to God.
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Old 08-22-2018, 08:08 AM
 
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I do not deny that Jesus is God, Mike, I understand it differently than you do with your jargon of hypostatic unions and kenosis. God is Spirit. God IS agape love. Spirit is consciousness. God's Holy Spirit is consciousness characterized by agape love. Jesus brought God's consciousness and perfect agape love to His human consciousness connecting us all to God. That is how He is God. That is why when we see Jesus we see the Father, not all your rigamarole and jargon. That is why when we love we know God and Jesus and are born of God. As long as we harmonize with Christ's perfect agape love (Grace) we attain the cover for our imperfect love. Satan is within all of us as the reptilian brain that is the source of all our baser urges. You can continue to see Satan as some supernatural being but it is illogical. As for angels, I know virtually nothing about those who inhabit the next stage within the Spirit world so the idea of angels or guardians or whatever is beyond my ken. They would not be inconsistent with a loving God.
Do you agree that the pre-incarnate Jesus created the heavens and the earth as the Bible says He did? Yes or no.

Satan is presented in the Bible as being an actual being, a fallen angel who rebelled against God. Nothing illogical about it. Since Satan is an actual being, he is not within all of us as part of the reptilian brain. That is one of your personal precepts which conflicts with the Biblical revelation concerning him.
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Old 08-22-2018, 09:12 AM
 
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Divine justice demands judgment on sin and evil. This is clearly taught in the Bible. Jesus came into the world and went to the cross to take the judgment for our sins thereby reconciling man to God.
And the point is that you equate "judgement" with eternal punishment for no good reason, and you refuse to see that vengeance is not "justice," or that reconciliation is possible after death: you can't use that to control people very well.
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Old 08-22-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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You dismiss divine revelation in favor of rational thought. What you cannot understand, what doesn't seem rational to you, you reject. But reality is not limited to what seems rational to you.

You place limitations on God. There is more to God than love, and divine justice demands judgment on sin and evil. The cross took care of the sin problem, but anyone who fails to avail himself of God's provision of salvation through faith in Christ Jesus remains under eternal condemnation. That is what the Bible teaches, no matter how much you reject it.
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That is not what it teaches, it's what you have been taught to believe.
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It is precisely what the Bible teaches.
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I also reject controllers and viciousness, don't forget that. "Divine justice" does not demand punishment, it demands reconciliation, the cross shows the way.
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Divine justice demands judgment on sin and evil. This is clearly taught in the Bible. Jesus came into the world and went to the cross to take the judgment for our sins thereby reconciling man to God.
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And the point is that you equate "judgement" with eternal punishment for no good reason, and you refuse to see that vengeance is not "justice," or that reconciliation is possible after death: you can't use that to control people very well.
He lives in the dark ages of retaliation.
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