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Old 08-27-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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More rubbish from you. You are now teaching that Adam never sinned?

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.

But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.

For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. (Romans 5:12, 15, 17–19)


Just as sin and death came through one man, Adam, it is also through one man, Jesus Christ, that grace and righteousness are given as free gifts to sinners. The naming of Christ as the Last Adam and the multiple comparisons of Adam to Christ would be invalid and nonsensical if original sin came through Eve. Also, it has been a heavy burden in this world to be born female and put up with the inequity men insist upon. Just because Cain was the first to commit murder, does not mean that Adam never sinned? How could Cain have been born a sinner except the the seed of sin was passed down through the father. Sin is not passed down through the seed of a woman.

Interestingly, although Eve was the first to disobey God's command, the solution to sin came through “her Seed” (Genesis 3:15). The Seed, Jesus Christ, was born of a virgin named Mary. He paid the price for sin and will redeem those who receive the salvation He offers.


he never said adam. 'You did.
So,
firstly i would like to Know who taught you this?
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Old 08-27-2018, 03:50 PM
 
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Mankind has always played the blame-game, "it's the serpent" within that of their own nature.
It takes a person with integrity to take responsibility for their own thoughts, deeds and actions.
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That sounds more like bi-polar disorder, a serious mental issue that can cause a lot of pain to others when the person is not admitted to proper caretakers.

Seriously, there is nothing from the Word of the Lord teaching any such thing.
Then, may I suggest that you take a few-steps closer to that of reality.
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Old 08-27-2018, 04:04 PM
 
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Then, may I suggest that you take a few-steps closer to that of reality.
I prefer the Truth.

not some weak eisegesic attack on others.
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Old 08-27-2018, 04:09 PM
 
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More rubbish from you. You are now teaching that Adam never sinned?

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.

But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one manís offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.

For if by the one manís offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. Therefore, as through one manís offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Manís righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one manís disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Manís obedience many will be made righteous. (Romans 5:12, 15, 17Ė19)


Just as sin and death came through one man, Adam, it is also through one man, Jesus Christ, that grace and righteousness are given as free gifts to sinners. The naming of Christ as the Last Adam and the multiple comparisons of Adam to Christ would be invalid and nonsensical if original sin came through Eve. Also, it has been a heavy burden in this world to be born female and put up with the inequity men insist upon. Just because Cain was the first to commit murder, does not mean that Adam never sinned? How could Cain have been born a sinner except the the seed of sin was passed down through the father. Sin is not passed down through the seed of a woman.

Interestingly, although Eve was the first to disobey God's command, the solution to sin came through ďher SeedĒ (Genesis 3:15). The Seed, Jesus Christ, was born of a virgin named Mary. He paid the price for sin and will redeem those who receive the salvation He offers.
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he never said adam. 'You did.
So,
firstly i would like to Know who taught you this?
Paul specifically names Adam and his offense as the cause of sin and death entering into the world in Romans 5:14. To be read within the context of Romans 5:12-19.
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
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Old 08-27-2018, 04:45 PM
 
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Paul specifically names Adam and his offense as the cause of sin and death entering into the world in Romans 5:14. To be read within the context of Romans 5:12-19.
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
death reigned
meaning the throne of David had not been established yet brother.

be very careful with ole shaul.

he is a clever man whose letters are not to be taken lightly.
cefas(peter gave fair warning about paul.
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Old 08-27-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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death reigned
meaning the throne of David had not been established yet brother.

be very careful with ole shaul.

he is a clever man whose letters are not to be taken lightly.
cefas(peter gave fair warning about paul.
Your claim was that Paul did not name Adam as the one though whom sin came into the world. You've been shown that he specifically named Paul.
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Old 08-27-2018, 05:18 PM
 
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Your claim was that Paul did not name Adam as the one though whom sin came into the world. You've been shown that he specifically named Paul.
no,
what you are doing is called inference. And you are horribly wrong.
Never did paul ever name adam as such at all.
Sorry, the day has come when men will seek death and not find it.

You can go hide if you like, doesnt much matter to me.



Nevertheless death ruled from Adam until Moshe, even over those whose sinning was not exactly like Adam’s violation of a direct command. In this, Adam prefigured the one who was to come.

To live is Christ, to die is gain

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Old 08-27-2018, 05:31 PM
 
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no,
what you are doing is called inference. And you are horribly wrong.
Never did paul ever name adam as such at all.
Sorry, the day has come when men will seek death and not find it.

You can go hide if you like, doesnt much matter to me.



even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.
Romans 5:14 clearly and specifically says that death reigned from Adam and mentions the offense of Adam. Again, this is within the context of Romans 5:12-19.

Paul named Adam as the one though whom, due to his transgression, sin entered the world, and death through sin.
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Old 08-27-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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Mankind has always played the blame-game, "it's the serpent" within that of their own nature.
It takes a person with integrity to take responsibility for their own thoughts, deeds and actions.
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That sounds more like bi-polar disorder, a serious mental issue that can cause alot of pain to others when the person is not admitted to proper caretakers.

Seriously, there is nothing from the Word of the Lord teaching any such thing.
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Then, may I suggest that you take a few-steps closer to that of reality.
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I prefer the Truth.

not some weak eisegesic attack on others.
Then, may you seek the path of truth that you are responsible for your own thoughts, deeds and actions.
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Old 08-27-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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Romans 5:14 clearly and specifically says that death reigned from Adam and mentions the offense of Adam. Again, this is within the context of Romans 5:12-19.

Paul named Adam as the one though whom, due to his transgression, sin entered the world, and death through sin.
Very well,
read more closely from a multitude of versions that have been translated and listen for the Holy Spirit to help you 555.

Simply cherry picking a verse to build a doctrine of demons to offer a cup of venom is entirely irresponsible.


Not only did paul mention that adam was not decieved, he went on to teach many about the righteousness of Faith in those who carried the promise for ten generations to noach and ten generations more that carried till avraham..

What you are ignoring is What ole Shaul was d,rashing about.
The Lord considered them Righteous and Has been with us since the Beginning of time even through the times when the wiked became more abundant than the Faithful.

even during what would of been considered the worst of times for those who have been oppressed the Lord was, and will always be Faithfull to His Word,..

You are not only ignoring the Royal law, you are ignoring what is Written In berei****(genesis


We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. 2 Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up. 3 For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.”[a] 4 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope.


I will say it once more.
Forget you ever heard that lie about adam.
And ask the Wonderful Counselor to help you.
Because you have very little hope left in daring to encourage others to go around and impute sin where there is none.

As for the multiple translations that have misconstrued what paul was sharing. It is obvious where manipulations have occurred in the whole of the context.
Which doesnt much matter considering Who's Word Is Authoritative well above pauls.

You have been given a gift that was not available to everyone for thousands of yrs.
Read and study the Torah 555 or someone will personally remove that 555 from your inheritance.
First the ground was cursed
Sin entered the world when cain(of the evil one) spilled blood on that very ground and was cursed.
A two fold son of perdition whose offspring and progeny where destroyed in the flood, leaving 8 to carry the promise(s) to avraham.



James 3
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15 Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.
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