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Old 08-27-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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That sounds more like bi-polar disorder, a serious mental issue that can cause alot of pain to others when the person is not admitted to proper caretakers.

Seriously, there is nothing from the Word of the Lord teaching any such thing.
Confessing one's shortcomings sounds like bi-polar disorder? Your post sounds like complete non-sense.
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Old 08-27-2018, 07:15 PM
 
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Then, may you seek the path of truth that you are responsible for your own thoughts, deeds and actions.
Amen
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Old 08-27-2018, 07:29 PM
 
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no,
what you are doing is called inference. And you are horribly wrong.
Never did paul ever name adam as such at all.
Sorry, the day has come when men will seek death and not find it.

You can go hide if you like, doesnt much matter to me.



Nevertheless death ruled from Adam until Moshe, even over those whose sinning was not exactly like Adam’s violation of a direct command. In this, Adam prefigured the one who was to come.

To live is Christ, to die is gain
Perhaps you need more than one witness, or a few disciples to help you grow in understanding.
The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

judgement upon sin was that the serpent was cursed, and the ground also, until cain of the evil one spilled his brothers blood.(Murder the first capital offense[goat])(conspiracy to commit murder, also a capital offense[goat])


Adam was not decieved
No one being tempted should say, “I am being tempted by God.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, and God himself tempts no one. 14 Rather, each person is being tempted whenever he is being dragged off and enticed by the bait of his own desire.

15 Then, having conceived, the desire gives birth to sin;

and when sin is fully grown, it(cain) gives birth to death.

16 Don’t delude yourselves, my dear brothers.


Think about those tares once more mike.
Don’t be upset by evildoers
or envious of those who do wrong,
2 for soon they will wither like grass
and fade like the green in the fields.
3 Trust in Adonai, and do good;
settle in the land, and feed on faithfulness.
4 Then you will delight yourself in Adonai,
and he will give you your heart’s desire.

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Old 08-27-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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Romans 5:14 clearly and specifically says that death reigned from Adam and mentions the offense of Adam. Again, this is within the context of Romans 5:12-19.

Paul named Adam as the one though whom, due to his transgression, sin entered the world, and death through sin.
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Very well,
read more closely from a multitude of versions that have been translated and listen for the Holy Spirit to help you 555.

Simply cherry picking a verse to build a doctrine of demons to offer a cup of venom is entirely irresponsible.


Not only did paul mention that adam was not decieved, he went on to teach many about the righteousness of Faith in those who carried the promise for ten generations to noach and ten generations more that carried till avraham..

What you are ignoring is What ole Shaul was d,rashing about.
The Lord considered them Righteous and Has been with us since the Beginning of time even through the times when the wiked became more abundant than the Faithful.

even during what would of been considered the worst of times for those who have been oppressed the Lord was, and will always be Faithfull to His Word,..

You are not only ignoring the Royal law, you are ignoring what is Written In berei****(genesis


We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. 2 Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up. 3 For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.”[a] 4 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope.


I will say it once more.
Forget you ever heard that lie about adam.
And ask the Wonderful Counselor to help you.
Because you have very little hope left in daring to encourage others to go around and impute sin where there is none.

As for the multiple translations that have misconstrued what paul was sharing. It is obvious where manipulations have occurred in the whole of the context.
Which doesnt much matter considering Who's Word Is Authoritative well above pauls.

You have been given a gift that was not available to everyone for thousands of yrs.
Read and study the Torah 555 or someone will personally remove that 555 from your inheritance.
First the ground was cursed
Sin entered the world when cain(of the evil one) spilled blood on that very ground and was cursed.
A two fold son of perdition whose offspring and progeny where destroyed in the flood, leaving 8 to carry the promise(s) to avraham.



James 3
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15 Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.
Romans 5:14 in the Greek says that death reigned from Adam and mentions the offense of Adam. Again, this is within the context of Romans 5:12-19.

If you want to compare translations then click here- https://biblehub.com/romans/5-14.htm and you can compare 27 different translations that all say the same thing. Paul states that sin and death came into the world through Adam. If you want to see it in the Greek then click here - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/5-14.htm

Again, your argument, your claim is that Paul did not say that sin came into the world though Adam. Paul clearly does say that sin and death came into the world through Adam. The entire context of Romans 5:12-19 pertains to that issue.
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:13 PM
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A couple of thread-killers doing their thing.
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:53 PM
 
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Romans 5:14 in the Greek says that death reigned from Adam and mentions the offense of Adam. Again, this is within the context of Romans 5:12-19.

If you want to compare translations then click here- https://biblehub.com/romans/5-14.htm and you can compare 27 different translations that all say the same thing. Paul states that sin and death came into the world through Adam. If you want to see it in the Greek then click here - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/5-14.htm

Again, your argument, your claim is that Paul did not say that sin came into the world though Adam. Paul clearly does say that sin and death came into the world through Adam. The entire context of Romans 5:12-19 pertains to that issue.
That is called eisegesis and I just shared multiple points from other disciples to show how to properly practice exegesis.

Are you going to call Yeshua a liar about the good soil that receives the Word.

Are you saying there is no good soil?
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:04 PM
 
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That is called eisegesis and I just shared multiple points from other disciples to show how to properly practice exegesis.

Are you going to call Yeshua a liar about the good soil that receives the Word.

Are you saying there is no good soil?
No, it is not eisegesis. I don't know what your problem is that you can't accept that Paul clearly states that sin and death came into the world through Adam, but your denials are ridiculous. You might disagree with Paul, but to deny that he said what he said in Romans 5:12-19 is nonsense.

I'm done with this. The text speaks for itself.
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:10 PM
 
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A couple of thread-killers doing their thing.
Ole shaul also mentioned" take captive your thoughts"

Similar to what yaakov(james was saying.
But, sometimes the heart becomes hardened and the mind becomes debased.

Yeshua mentioned what would happen to those who deny Him.

You simply grew up probably never having a single study partner.
At least that is my opinion. You seem to have a lot of the very abuse that you fight against.
The problem is.
You don't have any armor.
Especially a sword.

If you want to start afresh. Read Yeshuas word alone.
Let him feed you.

This thread topic is about modesty from what I recall.
So ask the Yeshua if there is anything to be given to compliment cefa(peter)

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Old 08-27-2018, 10:26 PM
 
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No, it is not eisegesis. I don't know what your problem is that you can't accept that Paul clearly states that sin and death came into the world through Adam, but your denials are ridiculous. You might disagree with Paul, but to deny that he said what he said in Romans 5:12-19 is nonsense.

I'm done with this. The text speaks for itself.
So a single verse taken entirely out of context and you are going to build a case against every human born both sons and daughters

Chavah was not cursed either.
Matter of fact.
If you were to listen real close.
You might hear a promise.

With your sort of reasoning a woman who cannot physically have children will never be saved.

You are smarter than that mike.
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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For some reason, I see the phrase "Adam was not deceived" as though it means he didn't sin.

He did sin. It was not because he was deceived (because he wasn't deceived)... it was because he was disobedient. He was fully aware that he was disobeying God.
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