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Old 09-01-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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Amen scgraham
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Old 09-01-2018, 12:37 PM
 
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After reading the OP, please explain in your own words how it would argue that the first of these English language "opinions" (often called "translations" rather than "opinions" of men) of the ancient Koine Greek "Scriptures" is unfaithful & misleading and the second is not in its rendering of the Greek word aionion:

Matthew 25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
King James Version (KJV)

And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian.
Concordant Literal New Testament (CLV)
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Old 09-01-2018, 10:50 PM
 
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satan has been trying to tear down God's Word since the Garden of Eden. But, the penalty for sin was death then and it's still the penalty yet today. Don't let satan fool you too because the penalty will be be more than you can bear.
This sounds like a voice of the persecutor of times past.
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Old 09-02-2018, 01:45 AM
 
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satan has been trying to tear down God's Word since the Garden of Eden. But, the penalty for sin was death then and it's still the penalty yet today. Don't let satan fool you too because the penalty will be be more than you can bear.
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Amen scgraham
Death is a part of this life, not some kind of curse.
Don't let your imagination get the best of you.
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Old 09-02-2018, 01:56 AM
 
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Death obviously is not a "part of this life", it is the eradication of it, it is the punishment God has warned us for if we would sin against His command.

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Old 09-02-2018, 02:08 AM
 
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Death obviously is not a "part of this life", it is the eradication of it, it is the punishment God has warned us for if we would sin against His command.

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Did Love Omnipotent forget to warn them about endless annihilation or torments for eternity?

Did Adam literally die within a day (of 24 hours) of disobeying God?

God covered Adam & Eve with skins typifying the salvation in Christ. Not only of Adam but the entire human race that was "in him" & would come through him.

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Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Everyone has sinned, so every fallen human being receives the wages of sin, which is death. Does that, then, mean by "death" that everyone is annihilated forever? Obviously not.

Scripture knows nothing of any endless death, but says that death will be abolished (1 Cor.15:26).

"Just as surely as the abolition of slavery entails freedom for those formerly enslaved, the abolition of death entails life for those formerly dead."

28 Now when all things shall have been put in subjection to Him, then also the Son Himself will be put in subjection to the One having put in subjection all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Beyond all that, your translation is misleading, as the OP of this thread implies. A more literal honest version is:

Rom_6:23 “For the ration of Sin is death, yet the gracious gift of God is life eonian, in Christ Jesus, our Lord.” (CLV)

See also:

https://forum.evangelicaluniversalis...-vs-death/5901

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Old 09-02-2018, 03:49 AM
 
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Did Love Omnipotent forget to warn them about endless annihilation or torments for eternity?
I won't enter into a discussion with you, you seem to be set on doing satan's work in twisting the scriptures and misleading people to your own and their eternal peril. Just know that all this reasoning, all your knowledge of the Greek, won't give you any comfort on your deathbed, you will face God's righteous Judgment. Indeed you won't be annihilated, but you will suffer conscious eternal torment if you haven't turned from an enemy of God, to a servant of Him through true repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

Luke 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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Old 09-02-2018, 07:24 AM
 
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Death obviously is not a "part of this life", it is the eradication of it, it is the punishment God has warned us for if we would sin against His command.

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Amen Chanokh. Hold fast to what you have.
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Old 09-02-2018, 07:49 AM
 
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Amen Chanokh. Hold fast to what you have.
What do you have ? A correct translation of the bible and heart of vengeance towards all who do not believe in your vile doctrine of punishing them with so called eternal flames, get out of here. That in my opinion is the depraved mind the scriptures speak about which defiles you.
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Old 09-02-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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satan has been trying to tear down God's Word since the Garden of Eden. But, the penalty for sin was death then and it's still the penalty yet today. Don't let satan fool you too because the penalty will be be more than you can bear.
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Amen scgraham
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Death is a part of this life, not some kind of curse.
Don't let your imagination get the best of you.
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Death obviously is not a "part of this life", it is the eradication of it, it is the punishment God has warned us for if we would sin against His command.

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Death comes to everyone, it will be knocking at your door in the near future; and surely you will die. So, yes, it is a "part of this life," whether you like it or not is irrelevant, you will close your eyes without a thought or a dream, as the time for death has not been eradicated! And, nowhere does it say anything about conscious eternal damnation. That in, and of itself is a syncretistic belief that has been mixed and blended into the Scriptures through various errors in translation. It is a concept that came from other cultures and their beliefs, and has nothing to do with Christianity or the love of God.
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