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Old 08-30-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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No, You are the freaking tare.


I know that you don't know this, but it is what it is. The great division is not about separating the wicked from the righteous, it is about taking that man of sin from you.


Do you assume that the man of sin is not in you?


Must be somebody else's sin right? You couldn't be the man of sin could you?


Galatians explains the fact that you are Ishmael AND you are of Isaac, but you don't get it do you?


You don't recognize the flesh and the spirit within your own being because you must be wholly righteous?

Now calm down. Try and keep your blood pressure between the lines. You seem to be stumbling over Paul's Romans 7:16-25. Of course Paul has evil in himself, and he isn't apparently responsible for his sins because it is the evil in himself that does the crime. This "serving... the law of sin... with my flesh" is what his "body of death" represents, and why he is a "wretched man" (Romans 7:24). It is only reasonable that Paul's followers are equally servants to sin and as wretched as Paul. No wonder Satan showered Paul with gifts (2 Corinthians 12:7).
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Old 08-30-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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What need do you have to treat anyone "fairly". Are not "Christians" already "saved"? The living in the here and now has to do with the "kingdom of heaven", which is Spirit and power (Matthew 6:30-34). Har-Magedon has to do with the kingdom of God, when the nations will have little choice to abide the rule of Law, and be ruled by a "rod of iron". Your Progressive exclamations about fairness, will have no weight. And of course "Christianity is a religion". It is the religion of the dragon, the beast, and his false prophet.
It most certainly has EVERYTHING to do with the kingdom of God---EVERYTHING.

Did Jesus teach us to pray "take us to Heaven," or did He pray "Thy will be done IN EARTH as it is in Heaven." What is it that Heaven has if it is not justice?

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"He has shown you, O man, what is good; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justly, To love mercy, And to walk humbly with your God?"
Micah 6:8

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This is what the LORD says: Administer justice and righteousness. [when? tomorrow?] Rescue the victim of robbery from the hand of his oppressor. Do no wrong or violence to the foreigner, the fatherless, or the widow. Do not shed innocent blood in this place.
Jeremiah 22:3
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This is what the LORD says: "Maintain justice and do what is right, for My salvation is coming soon, and My righteousness will be revealed.
Isaiah 56:1

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To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
Proverbs 21:3


I can go on and on with such verses that deal in the here and now.

Show me where Jesus promised we would be ruled by a "rod of iron," or where He anywhere practiced something other than love and mercy and forgiveness.

Where are the words in the Bible---"and be sure to argue over where 'har-magedon' takes place?"

Whatever message you have, it sure isn't from Jesus. You've read the Bible and missed the message.
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Old 08-30-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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It most certainly has EVERYTHING to do with the kingdom of God---EVERYTHING.

Did Jesus teach us to pray "take us to Heaven," or did He pray "Thy will be done IN EARTH as it is in Heaven." What is it that Heaven has if it is not justice?

Micah 6:8

Jeremiah 22:3
Isaiah 56:1

Proverbs 21:3


I can go on and on with such verses that deal in the here and now.

Show me where Jesus promised we would be ruled by a "rod of iron," or where He anywhere practiced something other than love and mercy and forgiveness.

Where are the words in the Bible---"and be sure to argue over where 'har-magedon' takes place?"

Whatever message you have, it sure isn't from Jesus. You've read the Bible and missed the message.
Man's ways are not God's ways. (Isaiah 55:8) Your political correctness, and your ways are not God's ways. Your political correct social justice is not God's justice.


As for as the "Word of God" ruling the nations with a rod of iron, I suggest that you read Revelation 19:15.

The kingdom of heaven on earth is grounded on "His righteousness" (Matthew 6:33). "His kingdom" of Matthew 6:33 is sought now, and the kingdom of God whereas David is king (Ezekiel 37:24) are two different time frames and two different conditions. In the latter, the rule of the nations is by way of a "rod of iron".

The overall message of the Scriptures, the OT, the Law and the Prophets, is the kingdom of God. Yeshua's message was given to give light to the OT for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. (Matthew 13:13) Most was hidden per Daniel 12:9-12 until the end of time/end of the age. The "wicked"/the lawless, will not understand (Daniel 12:10) at any time.
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Old 08-30-2018, 01:52 PM
 
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Har Magedon (Revelation 16:16) is when the nations of the world will be gathered against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:1-3), and they will be crushed all together at the same time (Daniel 2:35). It will occur at Meggido, which is located between Jerusalem and Damascus, and is because of what the nations have done to Israel (Joel 3:1-2) and happens after "Judah" and "Jerusalem" have been restored, which was finished in 1967. It will include 1/3 of mankind being killed by fire, smoke, and sulfur (Revelation 9:18), and the nations will still not repent (Revelation 9:21). Those who come against Jerusalem will die the same death that those who died in Hiroshima (Zechariah 14:12). Can anyone give the high holy day when this is most likely to occur?
I bet that they are “Christian” nations...
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Old 08-30-2018, 01:55 PM
 
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Daniel 2:35 follows Daniel 2:34. A battle of Meggido already happened in 1917 whereas the iron and clay were crushed. The Iron being represented by Germany, which was ruled by the German Kaiser, such as Roman Caesar. The clay being represented by the Ottoman empire, representing the red clay Edom. Both the mixture of iron and clay were crushed and defeated by the British and their allies at Meggido.

The Israelis in the 1967 and 1973 war also crushed the Arabs/clay, and their Russian allies, who are a product of the Roman empire/iron as their traditional leader was the Czar/Roman Caesar.

We only have to wait for Daniel 2:35, when the iron, clay, bronze, silver, and gold are "crushed all at the same time".
Uh, no...You don’t know what you’re talking about...
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Old 08-30-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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I bet that they are “Christian” nations...

Per Daniel 2:35, the iron represents Rome, the clay would represent Edom, the bronze would represent Greece/Macedonia, the silver would represent the Persians, and the gold would represent Babylonian empire.
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Old 08-30-2018, 04:49 PM
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The results of sin is death, and everyone dies for their own sins (Jeremiah 31:30). If there was no Law, then why is Paul dead? And apart from Paul's false claims, why are you going to die?
there is only one thing to do with this ..

give you Jesus own words
Mar 12:23

In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

Mar 12:24


And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Mar 12:25

For when they shall rise from the dead( these are dead in christ people) , they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Mar 12:26

And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Mar 12:27

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.



PauL is not dead, He is living and can be here in this world right now in the same way EZE army was made of human bodies which needed a soul. we will all have such bodies waiting for us at the moment of our deaths if we die in Christ. God is God of the living !!
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Old 08-30-2018, 06:13 PM
 
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there is only one thing to do with this ..

give you Jesus own words
Mar 12:23

In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

Mar 12:24


And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Mar 12:25

For when they shall rise from the dead( these are dead in christ people) , they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Mar 12:26

And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Mar 12:27

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.



PauL is not dead, He is living and can be here in this world right now in the same way EZE army was made of human bodies which needed a soul. we will all have such bodies waiting for us at the moment of our deaths if we die in Christ. God is God of the living !!
In this you err. Those with the mark of the beast will not rise (Revelation 20:4). The symbol of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet Paul is the cross, as in the gospel of the cross, the cross being the symbol of the false doctrine of the Trinity, and that per Sol Invictus, Constantine would go out and conquer under the sign of the cross. Those marked would include all the daughters of Babylon. Paul is dead and supposedly buried near Rome. The false prophet Paul and the beast are dead, and only exist as demon spirits (Revelation 16:13-14). But you are correct in that apparently Paul has everlasting life, for when the false prophet is thrown into the "lake of fire"... "he will be tormented day and night forever and ever". (Revelation 20:10). Apparently he took a bite of the tree of life.
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:36 PM
 
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Har Magedon (Revelation 16:16) is when the nations of the world will be gathered against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:1-3), and they will be crushed all together at the same time (Daniel 2:35). It will occur at Meggido, which is located between Jerusalem and Damascus, and is because of what the nations have done to Israel (Joel 3:1-2) and happens after "Judah" and "Jerusalem" have been restored, which was finished in 1967. It will include 1/3 of mankind being killed by fire, smoke, and sulfur (Revelation 9:18), and the nations will still not repent (Revelation 9:21). Those who come against Jerusalem will die the same death that those who died in Hiroshima (Zechariah 14:12). Can anyone give the high holy day when this is most likely to occur?
It isn't just Meggido, it will be the whole world and shortly. The Israel of today does not have any favor from God. It was a man's creation. No priesthood, no temple, temple mount polluted, gave away some of the land God originally gave Israel, violate the Laws, and more.



Desolated by God as a nation and even Jesus spoke of it drying up and dying.


KJV Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate


28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. 29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. 30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us. 31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

The "Tree" the nation was barely alive in Jesus' day and about to die. It is dead now.
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Old 08-30-2018, 08:35 PM
 
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Man's ways are not God's ways. (Isaiah 55:8) Your political correctness, and your ways are not God's ways. Your political correct social justice is not God's justice.


As for as the "Word of God" ruling the nations with a rod of iron, I suggest that you read Revelation 19:15.

The kingdom of heaven on earth is grounded on "His righteousness" (Matthew 6:33). "His kingdom" of Matthew 6:33 is sought now, and the kingdom of God whereas David is king (Ezekiel 37:24) are two different time frames and two different conditions. In the latter, the rule of the nations is by way of a "rod of iron".

The overall message of the Scriptures, the OT, the Law and the Prophets, is the kingdom of God. Yeshua's message was given to give light to the OT for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. (Matthew 13:13) Most was hidden per Daniel 12:9-12 until the end of time/end of the age. The "wicked"/the lawless, will not understand (Daniel 12:10) at any time.
I gave you several Scripture verses and you've just posted that God's "Word" lies. It's plain as the moles on your face.

Revelations is MEANT to be interpreted. Your interpretation is, in the words of the Big Lebowski, "That's like just your opinion man." There are a million of opinions about Revelations, many of them by scholars, not fundamentalist pastors.

The message of the Kingdom of God is about making earth look like heaven. Or is Jesus also a liar when He prayed "thy will be done in earth AS it is in heaven." Or maybe He taught us to pray that in vain.

Your view of rejecting the main theme of Scripture displays a both a spiritual infancy and a failure to comprehend Scripture.

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Biblical mercy means active compassion, not inactive leniency. It is not about closing our eyes to sin and suffering, but just the opposite: Jesus had compassion for sinners not because he was denying their sin but precisely because he did see, and their estranged plight agonized Jesus. Because of that compassion Jesus longed to bring them justice, to release the oppressed, heal the afflicted, and forgive the condemned.
Derek Flood, Healing the Gospel, A Radical Vision for Grace, Justice, and the Cross, Chapter One

The Kingdom of God cannot exist for humanity without love, justice, mercy, and kindness. I'm not sure what it is you think Jesus is if it isn't that. And since Jesus is very God we get to see God's heart in Jesus. Not one place in the gospels did God in Jesus see fit to warn about Har-Magedon, not one.

You waste time on End Times when you need to learn about living and loving in the Now times.
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