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Old 08-31-2018, 05:31 AM
 
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I gave you several Scripture verses and you've just posted that God's "Word" lies. It's plain as the moles on your face.

Revelations is MEANT to be interpreted
. Your interpretation is, in the words of the Big Lebowski, "That's like just your opinion man." There are a million of opinions about Revelations, many of them by scholars, not fundamentalist pastors.

The message of the Kingdom of God is about making earth look like heaven. Or is Jesus also a liar when He prayed "thy will be done in earth AS it is in heaven." Or maybe He taught us to pray that in vain.

Your view of rejecting the main theme of Scripture displays a both a spiritual infancy and a failure to comprehend Scripture.


Derek Flood, Healing the Gospel, A Radical Vision for Grace, Justice, and the Cross, Chapter One

The Kingdom of God cannot exist for humanity without love, justice, mercy, and kindness. I'm not sure what it is you think Jesus is if it isn't that. And since Jesus is very God we get to see God's heart in Jesus. Not one place in the gospels did God in Jesus see fit to warn about Har-Magedon, not one.

You waste time on End Times when you need to learn about living and loving in the Now times.
Revelation is meant to be revealed. The rock/petras the church is built on is the revelations per "my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:17-18). The church is to be built on the "tested stone", which is the Law and the prophets, which were revealed by "my Father in heaven", The temple of God is constructed on that rock, using "justice" as the measuring line, and "righteousness" as the level (Isaiah 28:17). Your "fairness" is nothing but a Progressive dog whistle for socialism. Justice is not about Progressive values. It is not for those who hate good and love evil to "know justice" (Micah 3:1). "Priest instruct for a price" (Micah 3:11), and "leaders pronounce judgment for a bribe" (Micah 3:10). The system robs the widows and orphans in order to provide the riches required for your "fairness".


I am thinking that you are neither healed, have any vision, know justice, and lay your hope the false prophet Paul's false gospel of the cross. I am thinking that the "overwhelming scourge" you fear (Isaiah 28:15), and feel will "not reach us" because you have made "falsehood your refuge", will "seize you" (Isaiah 28:18).
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Old 08-31-2018, 08:13 AM
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In this you err. Those with the mark of the beast will not rise (Revelation 20:4). The symbol of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet Paul is the cross, as in the gospel of the cross, the cross being the symbol of the false doctrine of the Trinity, and that per Sol Invictus, Constantine would go out and conquer under the sign of the cross. Those marked would include all the daughters of Babylon. Paul is dead and supposedly buried near Rome. The false prophet Paul and the beast are dead, and only exist as demon spirits (Revelation 16:13-14). But you are correct in that apparently Paul has everlasting life, for when the false prophet is thrown into the "lake of fire"... "he will be tormented day and night forever and ever". (Revelation 20:10). Apparently, he took a bite of the tree of life.
and , boy you are so bitter..that is a nasty ..
and that was not my point and notwhat my conversation was about .
My point is Paul is alive now!
so who gets resurrected then since all alive in Christ are alive including Paul? it is those dead and not in Christ but righteous still from all the nations. !
and I suspect that those who were unrighteous maybe wait for the 8th day. . and maybe those Christians who died in the tribulation coudl be ressurrected to the army.. but they should have been raised with new bodies in the Tabernacles of the Rghteous. so is EZELiels calling/Prophesiing to the souls of Christians who are in a body into to these other bodies from the Tabernacles of the righteou? yes probably . The Tabernacles also could be called the 4 winds.. ("beehives/mangers) in the star and Khepah are called Winds .. just as the Queen of Shebah was called a South Wind..and Yoliknal Queen of Mayan Palenque is known as a North Wind!
because our bodies are just like a tuberwares for Our soul once we are in his kingdom. but there are the righteous of all nations and tribes and people who not " in Christ " since the resurrection at his death . and that means lots of native Americans and island people around the world who kept to the traditions of the stars stories and EVE/ Khepah and the concepts of spiritual balance= eye or an eye/ and of true tributes/ like Melchezedec. These the righteous not in christ who are ressurrected..
ALL these still have a choice to make so they are the ressurrected " some to everlasting life and some to destruction.." they
still have that choice to make !
They are not the spiritually dead unrighteous though.. those get resurrected on the Day of Great White Throne of Judgment when death is emptied and destroyed. I think the unrighteous not in Christ " if any are saved will have to be like the angels" and that is why Jesus says " IF "any are save"
and they are all " in hell" all that time from their death up to 2000 years ago until 1000 years from now.. I am sure to all of them that feels like an eternity.
and yes according to NDE's there is fire and there is demons there too. so I will suspect that it isn't a good place to be NOW .. man created it and man in this life kind and all the things he created with his choices control that space..
so I don't think I believe in eternal firey hell. I do sure believe it is going on for most mankind right now. and will be for another 1000 years. then they are annihilated at the great white throne of judgment. and the Father does it. that is in his mercy he just ends them.
But MY Point was Paul is alive !! you don't know what you speak of or do you know his power as Jesus says to the jews of that time..

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Old 08-31-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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and that is a nasty lie..
and that was not my point, boy you are so bitter..
My point is Paul is alive now, so who gets resurrected then since all alive in Christ are alive including Paul? those dead and not in Christ but righteous! yes and I suspect that those who were unrighteous maybe wait for the 8th day. . and maybe those Christians who died in the tribulation.. but they should have been raised with new bodies in the tabernacles of the righteous. so is calling the souls of Christians in a body to the other bodies.. because our bodies are just like a tuberwares for Our soul once we are in his kingdom. but there are the righteous of all nations and tribes and people who not fully in Christ since the resurrection at his death . and that means lots of native Americans and island people around the world who kept to the traditions of the stars stories and EVE/ Khepah and the concepts of spiritual balance/ eye or an eye/ and of true tributes/ like Melchezedec.
these still have a choice to make.
they are not the spiritually dead though.. those get ressurrected on the Day of Great White Throne of Judgment when death is emptied and destroyed. I think the unrighteous not in Christ " if any are saved will have to be like the angels" and that is why Jesus says " IF any are save"
and they are all " in hell" all that time from their death up to 2000 years ago until 1000 years from now.. I asure to all of them that feels like an eternity.. ..
and yes according to NDE's there is fire and there is demons there too. so I will suspect that it isn't a good place to be.. man created it and makind and all the things he created with his choices control that space..
so I don't think I believe in eternal firey hell. I do sure believe it is going on for most mankind right now. and will be for another 1000 years. then they are annihilated at the great white throne of judgment. and the Father does it.
But MY Point Paul is alive !! you don't know what you speak of or do you know his power as Jesus says to the jews of that time..

You have the walking dead, who are the sons of hell/devil, and are sinners, and then you have those who have entered into life, and cannot sin, and are children of God (1 John 3:6-10). As for your opinions/beliefs about hell, they are based on the traditions of men. The dead are generally buried and have no thoughts. Those who are burned up, have no thought either (Ecc 9:5). The "righteous", such as Daniel, remain at rest (Daniel 12:13) until the "end of the age". The "lake of fire" is reserved for post millennium. (Revelation 20:14). As for the false prophet Paul, only his unclean, demon Spirit is functioning. (Revelation 16:13).
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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The book of Revelation 16:14-16 is clear that the "kings of the whole world" would be gathered to "Har-Magedon". At that time "a great earthquake" would cause the "cities of all the nations" to fall (Revelation 16:18-19). "Every island fled away, and the mountains were not found." "And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men" (Rev 16:20-21). Keep in mind that the individual warhead of a MIRV weighs around one hundred pounds. It is at this time that "Babylon the great" is "remembered before God" (Revelation 16:19), and was given the wine of God's wrath.

If you should compare this with the OT, it aligns with Zechariah 14, whereas "all the nations are gathered against Jerusalem", "and the city will be captured", and then "the LORD will go forth and fight", "and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west".... "and you will flee . as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah". Those who came against Jerusalem would suffer the same symptoms as suffered by Hiroshima (Zechariah 14:12).

If you should compare this with Joel 3:2, you will find that after Jerusalem and Judah are restored in Joel 3:1, that "I will gather all the nations" to the "valley of Jehoshaphat/YHWH judges. And this was done as "Judgment" "on behalf of My people and My inheritance Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations".

If you should compare this with Daniel 2, you will find that the "iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time....but the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and fill the whole earth" (Daniel 2:35) "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever" (Daniel 2:44) The rock that destroyed was a "tested stone, a costly corner stone" (Isaiah 28:16), which is the OT, the Law and the prophets. The false prophet's "covenant with death", his gospel of grace, "shall be cancelled" (Isaiah 28:17).


As for the "wicked"/"lawless", they will be gathered by "angels" at the "end of the age"..."and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:39-40). That will be the place with the hypocrites (Matthew 24:51). For a definite example of hypocrisy, see Romans 7:25, the foundation of Paul's gospel of grace.

The "good seed" is the "word of the kingdom" (Matthew 13:19), and the "tare seed" is the word of the "enemy" (Matthew 13:25), and would be the word of lawlessness, the gospel of grace/cross. The tares were allowed to remain unhindered until the "end of the age", when the "angels" will first gather the tares out and "burn them up", and then gather the "wheat into the barn". The wheat would be the product of the good seed/Word, and the barn would be the kingdom of God.

The "war" of Revelation 19:15 is fought by the "Word of God", the Law and the prophets, by which the nations are smitten, and then ruled by the "a rod of iron". The wicked have their own scripture, which is the word of men, which was canonized by the daughter of Babylon, the Roman church, in 367 AD, and it is, along with Peter (Matthew 16:23), their main stumbling block. At the end of the age, the angels of Matthew 13:40-41, will remove both the lawless and the stumbling blocks.
okay, thank you for your response
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:45 AM
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You have the walking dead, who are the sons of hell/devil, and are sinners, and then you have those who have entered into life, and cannot sin, and are children of God (1 John 3:6-10). As for your opinions/beliefs about hell, they are based on the traditions of men. The dead are generally buried and have no thoughts. Those who are burned up, have no thought either (Ecc 9:5). The "righteous", such as Daniel, remain at rest (Daniel 12:13) until the "end of the age". The "lake of fire" is reserved for post millennium. (Revelation 20:14). As for the false prophet Paul, only his unclean, demon Spirit is functioning. (Revelation 16:13).
MY point was Paul Lives, but we don't yet is you will. we can always pray for each other.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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Per Daniel 2:35, the iron represents Rome, the clay would represent Edom, the bronze would represent Greece/Macedonia, the silver would represent the Persians, and the gold would represent Babylonian empire.
Might you be a Seventh Day Adventist, 2ndpillar? Just curious.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:49 PM
 
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Now calm down. Try and keep your blood pressure between the lines. You seem to be stumbling over Paul's Romans 7:16-25. Of course Paul has evil in himself, and he isn't apparently responsible for his sins because it is the evil in himself that does the crime. This "serving... the law of sin... with my flesh" is what his "body of death" represents, and why he is a "wretched man" (Romans 7:24). It is only reasonable that Paul's followers are equally servants to sin and as wretched as Paul. No wonder Satan showered Paul with gifts (2 Corinthians 12:7).
LOL, I wasn't being angry, and I wasn't calling you a tare, I mean that I am a tare, that you are a tare, and the fact of the wheat and tares being about the wheat harvest practiced for thousands of years, I am referring to the tare in everyone, the lawless one within everyone.


I don't stumble over Romans, and the fact is, I haven't found another Christian who understands Romans for what it is, and they have to understand that Paul was one of those 7000 of Israel, Not Judah. Paul begins Romans talking about his own people, the ten lost tribes, and every Christian who begins reading Romans is sadly mistaken because they assume that Paul is speaking of Jews when he is speaking of his own people, the ten lost tribes. Paul is going over the history of his people Israel, NOT JUDAH.


The majority of every single thing written in Romans is about Israel, NOT JUDAH, but I have yet to find a Christian who even knows the history of the two kingdoms well enough to know the difference between Ephraim and Judah. Even these bible scholars who write bible commentaries don't know what they are talking about because they don't know the difference.


Paul is quoting Hosea about the destruction of the kingdom of Israel, NOT THE KINGDOM OF JUDAH.


God gave up on Israel but he never gave up on Judah as they remain till this day and as they are being gathered to a miracle nation birthed through genocide, and this is all fulfillment of God's promise to all Jews, but Christians reading about the destruction of Israel in the book of Romans think that Romans is speaking about Jews when it is not in most cases.


God gave up on Israel, NOT JUDAH, and the priesthood did not fall to Gentiles, it fell to people of the ten lost tribes just as Paul was a father to Christianity and a member of that 7000 remnant of Israel, NOT JUDAH.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:56 PM
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You have the walking dead, who are the sons of hell/devil, and are sinners, and then you have those who have entered into life, and cannot sin, and are children of God (1 John 3:6-10). As for your opinions/beliefs about hell, they are based on the traditions of men. The dead are generally buried and have no thoughts. Those who are burned up, have no thought either (Ecc 9:5). The "righteous", such as Daniel, remain at rest (Daniel 12:13) until the "end of the age". The "lake of fire" is reserved for post millennium. (Revelation 20:14). As for the false prophet Paul, only his unclean, demon Spirit is functioning. (Revelation 16:13).
seems you don't see the spirit at all do you? that is why you and Paul sure don't get along. Pauls sees the Spirit of God and has moved in it and danced with it. it seems you havent' yet?
you don't see between the spirit and souls of who never died .. men in christ and then those men made "alive/ aware " but have no soul/bodies and are thus "outside" of christ..
you really don't see the spirit do you?
the dead won't have any ALIVE bodies! that is why they must be like the angels. they never entered into LIFE in this life..
if they are allowed to exist past that day. and Jesus said that was a "IF" .
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:00 PM
 
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Daniel 2:35 follows Daniel 2:34. A battle of Meggido already happened in 1917 whereas the iron and clay were crushed. The Iron being represented by Germany, which was ruled by the German Kaiser, such as Roman Caesar. The clay being represented by the Ottoman empire, representing the red clay Edom. Both the mixture of iron and clay were crushed and defeated by the British and their allies at Meggido.

The Israelis in the 1967 and 1973 war also crushed the Arabs/clay, and their Russian allies, who are a product of the Roman empire/iron as their traditional leader was the Czar/Roman Caesar.

We only have to wait for Daniel 2:35, when the iron, clay, bronze, silver, and gold are "crushed all at the same time".
You are already in the covenant of Daniel, you were in it when you were born.


Gabriel's Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks
…26Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed. 27And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.”




Just as Daniel prophesied the coming of Messiah, he also spoke prophesies of the Anti-Messiah that followed right after Jesus, and by 100 years after Jesus, the entire Christian community welcomed this Anti-Messiah and the obvious proof of this can be seen every where, from Hadrian to Constantine who both fulfilled the missions of Daniel's anti-Christ when the church outlawed the commandments of God and all the Sabbaths and holy days of God to then speak ill of the chosen people, to begin persecuting the saints of God who kept God's religion....


Everything Daniel said has come to pass just as Daniel said it would be, and if it were almost possible, this anti-Christ religion has almost fooled the 7000 who believe in Christ, and now, Christians are born into that 7 year covenant and so a great deal of the New Testament was written just for these lawless days, these lawless times where people would call unrighteousness, righteousness.


So much of the New Testament is devoted to those 7 years that Christians are born into, but who are unaware that they have to walk in those 7 years.


42 months walking in Ephraim brings you to the middle of your week where you are to go all the way to death to then be symbolically resurrected to then finish your 3 and a half years remaining in the 7 year covenant.......The book of Revelation is showing you these 7 years OVER AND OVER AND OVER, but Christians don't know what is being discussed because they don't know the religion of Messiah, they don't know his appointed days, they don't know the duties of a priest, and in many cases, Christians don't even know all the Holy days. I speak of the greatest holy day of all on Shemini Atzeret, and it is down right shocking that Christians don't know the greatest feast day of Messiah.


It is in the middle of your week that you realize you are even in a 7 year covenant, and although Christians stand against everything called of God or that is worshipped of God in his commandments and worship system, they still wont repent of their sins, and they even begin to speak against the saints of God who keep God's commandments.


If somebody is a Christian, is he against the commandments of God? Is he against God's Sabbaths and feasts? Does he always speak ill of the saints of God who keep God's commandments?


Then he should consider who he follows, and he should come to know of his own 7 year covenant.
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Old 08-31-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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You are already in the covenant of Daniel, you were in it when you were born.


Gabriel's Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks
26Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed. 27And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.




Just as Daniel prophesied the coming of Messiah, he also spoke prophesies of the Anti-Messiah that followed right after Jesus, and by 100 years after Jesus, the entire Christian community welcomed this Anti-Messiah and the obvious proof of this can be seen every where, from Hadrian to Constantine who both fulfilled the missions of Daniel's anti-Christ when the church outlawed the commandments of God and all the Sabbaths and holy days of God to then speak ill of the chosen people, to begin persecuting the saints of God who kept God's religion....


Everything Daniel said has come to pass just as Daniel said it would be, and if it were almost possible, this anti-Christ religion has almost fooled the 7000 who believe in Christ, and now, Christians are born into that 7 year covenant and so a great deal of the New Testament was written just for these lawless days, these lawless times where people would call unrighteousness, righteousness.


So much of the New Testament is devoted to those 7 years that Christians are born into, but who are unaware that they have to walk in those 7 years.


42 months walking in Ephraim brings you to the middle of your week where you are to go all the way to death to then be symbolically resurrected to then finish your 3 and a half years remaining in the 7 year covenant.......The book of Revelation is showing you these 7 years OVER AND OVER AND OVER, but Christians don't know what is being discussed because they don't know the religion of Messiah, they don't know his appointed days, they don't know the duties of a priest, and in many cases, Christians don't even know all the Holy days. I speak of the greatest holy day of all on Shemini Atzeret, and it is down right shocking that Christians don't know the greatest feast day of Messiah.


It is in the middle of your week that you realize you are even in a 7 year covenant, and although Christians stand against everything called of God or that is worshipped of God in his commandments and worship system, they still wont repent of their sins, and they even begin to speak against the saints of God who keep God's commandments.


If somebody is a Christian, is he against the commandments of God? Is he against God's Sabbaths and feasts? Does he always speak ill of the saints of God who keep God's commandments?


Then he should consider who he follows, and he should come to know of his own 7 year covenant.

The messiah was cut off after sixty two weeks and seven weeks (Daniel 9:27). It is "the people of the prince to come will come destroy the city and the sanctuary" (Daniel 9:27), and the prince to come would be Titus. I am not under a covenant with Titus, who was the 10th horn of the 6th head of the beast of Revelation 17:10. There is no "covenant of Daniel". It was a covenant made by the "prince who is to come". We are in the time, times, and half a time of Daniel 7:25, which follows the 7th head of the beast, Constantine (Daniel 7:24). We are now in the end time, when "the court will sit for judgment" (Daniel 7:26).


As for 7000, that is the number of people who will die per Revelation 11:13 during the great earthquake in the "city".
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