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Old 08-31-2018, 09:06 PM
 
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Why does Benjamin get 5 times more than any of the brethren? Why does Benjamin get to have the Penthouse closest to God in Revelation? Both David and Joseph had an unbelievable love for Benjamin and the tribe of Benjamin unlike any others, and the tribe was the first king the people chose because he was the most beautiful. Watch out for a left handed Benjamite.


I tell people that Jesus came as Joseph, and everything that happened to Joseph was only prophesy of what happened and will happen with Jesus, and the comparison of the two is very striking, there is no way it wasn't meant to be, and for anyone who believes this, let them think of Jesus as Joseph when Jesus is demanding to see his true brother, who is the true brother of Jesus?


That is how we should read the story of Joseph, and we are in the time frame just before Joseph reveals himself to his true family, the Jewish nation where a face to face has always been waiting
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Old 09-01-2018, 12:00 AM
 
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Revelation is meant to be revealed. The rock/petras the church is built on is the revelations per "my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:17-18). The church is to be built on the "tested stone", which is the Law and the prophets, which were revealed by "my Father in heaven", The temple of God is constructed on that rock, using "justice" as the measuring line, and "righteousness" as the level (Isaiah 28:17). Your "fairness" is nothing but a Progressive dog whistle for socialism. Justice is not about Progressive values. It is not for those who hate good and love evil to "know justice" (Micah 3:1). "Priest instruct for a price" (Micah 3:11), and "leaders pronounce judgment for a bribe" (Micah 3:10). The system robs the widows and orphans in order to provide the riches required for your "fairness".


I am thinking that you are neither healed, have any vision, know justice, and lay your hope the false prophet Paul's false gospel of the cross. I am thinking that the "overwhelming scourge" you fear (Isaiah 28:15), and feel will "not reach us" because you have made "falsehood your refuge", will "seize you" (Isaiah 28:18).
Justice for Jesus was about nothing except "social" justice. In addition, the first gatherings of Jesus believers was characterized by communism.

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Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common.…There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need”
(Acts 4:32–35 ESV).
Is this another uncomfortable account you have carefully carved away from your bible of Me-ism?

I see it is your politics that drives your religion, not the other way around.
Are you another who supported a leader who was always about "Make America Great Again?" (That was what Hitler was trying to do with a Make Germany Great Again plan after WWI)
Another who supports "loyalty" at any costs to the present leader--as he demands? (Hitler surrounded himself with these)
One who believes all news is fake unless it supports him? (the Nazis removed all media except Goebbels)
One who believes only certain races and ethnic groups qualify as "real" Americans? (the Nazis did)
One who thinks Trade unions should be abolished and their leaders arrested. (the Nazis did)
Hitler set up the Nazi people's courts where judges had to swear an oath of loyalty to the Nazis. Isn't that what your real earthly Messiah demands of those following him?

You quoted Hosea is a ridiculous fashion to another poster. Did you not read about God's "social justice" in it? It has a message aimed directly at you:
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But you must return to your God; maintain love and justice, and wait for you God always
Hosea 12:6

And another verse describes your foolish attempt at pushing forward a Sword Waving Messiah:
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The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern
Proverbs 29:7

Jesus’ acts of justice involve not only healing the hurting but also confronting those who have been doing the hurting. The powers-that-be retaliate--which is the message you promote. The religious and political leaders do have a kind of justice on their side—justice in the sense of the self-interests of people in power and their laws and policies that act to sustain their power. Jesus did violate this kind of “justice” and so ----retribution by the powers-that-be followed. That's you. Pouring out retribution in the name of an evil god, instead of winning with the Cross, by turning the other cheek---by acting JUSTLY so that righteousness is evident.

So don't worry about "social justice," God will provide you with His justice when you are done building your house of sand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJXIugwiN7Q

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Old 09-01-2018, 12:57 AM
 
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Ephraim inherited the title of "Israel" from Joseph, who inherited it from Jacob. Ephraim stands for the 10 northern tribes of Israel, and Judah nor Benjamin was among them. As for Gentiles, those being the nations, after the day of the LORD, they will plead, "our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood" (Jeremiah 16:19). The Gentiles are like those who call up down, and down up, and call light darkness, and darkness, light.
Are you not a Gentile?...
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Old 09-01-2018, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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I think I already posted this scripture once, and what it says is very obvious, but that is the least obvious fact of Benjamin being a part of both Kingdoms. David built Jerusalem IN BENJAMIN, because of the fact that Benjamin was NATUALLY a part of Joseph because he was Joseph's only brother, do you get that lol? All the tribes had sided toward Judah or Joseph because of the great prophesies of Jacob, there was already a division because who would really rule, and so David saw Benjamin as his one vehicle to unite all Israel like never before done, and this only lasted briefly.


This scripture is only speaking of the Ten tribes, for VERY MANY years Manasseh struggled against Ephraim for the rule, and this civil type of war went on and on to see who would rule, Ephraim or Manasseh, WHO WOULD LEAD JOSEPH, Ephraim stands in the inheritance for Joseph, until the coming of the tents of Joseph.............IN no way is this scripture speaking of the kingdom of Judah..


Psalms 80
Hear Us, O Shepherd of Israel
1For the choirmaster. To the tune of “The Lilies of the Covenant.” A Psalm of Asaph. Hear us, O Shepherd of Israel, who leadsJosephlike a flock; You who sit enthroned between the cherubim, shine forth. 2Before Ephraim, Benjamin, and Manasseh, rally Your power and come to save us.…


ABOVE ALL THIS AND MORE, you don't have to take my word for it, take Paul's word for it when he is speaking of being one of those 7000 men reserved from Israel NOT JUDAH.


Take Paul's word for it as he goes through the actual history of the ten tribes and their destruction.
Take Paul's word for it when he says,'' EVEN US, Not of the Jew Only.''


Paul is flat out telling you that he was among those 7000 reserved in Israel, NOT JUDAH, Paul is flat out telling you how each tribes was reserved and found living with Jews, as Jews, but they were of the Northern kingdom, and Benjamin was Naturally a part of the kingdom of Joseph, his only true brother,


No matter what you believe of what I say, believe Paul, Believe the scriptures, believe the Psalms and believe common sense that Benjamin would OF COURSE be in Joseph.


Again, David built Jerusalem IN BENJAMIN, Benjamin IS THE CHILD OF JERUSALEM, which you are. Produce Benjamin or you will be sorry.

Jesus mission was two take two men, and he makes just ONE out of the two. ONE SERVANT, but you take away Judah, and you have cut the servant in half. God took a Gentile and a Jew and he made them one man, but when the Gentile wanted to separate, the servant was cut in half and separated.,

Two kingdoms fighting against each other, and in the middle of these two kingdoms is Jerusalem=Benjamin.

If the two kingdoms ever come into peace, it is because of their common tie in Benjamin being a part of both kingdoms.

Christianity and Judaism are two kingdoms that struggle against each other, but between them is Jerusalem, and who will bear the child of Jerusalem?

David knew that Benjamin was the one tribe that could unite all tribes because they loved Joseph and they loved Judah, and so David built Jerusalem in Benjamin because the tribes had already been separated by the prophesies of Jacob. Benjamin IS Jerusalem.
Bump, Paul was of Benjamin of the Northern Tribes of Israel.
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Old 09-01-2018, 02:05 AM
 
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Bump, Paul was of Benjamin of the Northern Tribes of Israel.
Sorry,
Benjamin stayed in Jerusalem with Judah and Levi. They were not part of the northern tribes. Benjamin along with Levi and Judah, were ascribed as part of the house of Judah/Jews.
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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Justice for Jesus was about nothing except "social" justice. In addition, the first gatherings of Jesus believers was characterized by communism.

(Acts 4:32–35 ESV).
Is this another uncomfortable account you have carefully carved away from your bible of Me-ism?

I see it is your politics that drives your religion, not the other way around.
Are you another who supported a leader who was always about "Make America Great Again?" (That was what Hitler was trying to do with a Make Germany Great Again plan after WWI)
Another who supports "loyalty" at any costs to the present leader--as he demands? (Hitler surrounded himself with these)
One who believes all news is fake unless it supports him? (the Nazis removed all media except Goebbels)
One who believes only certain races and ethnic groups qualify as "real" Americans? (the Nazis did)
One who thinks Trade unions should be abolished and their leaders arrested. (the Nazis did)
Hitler set up the Nazi people's courts where judges had to swear an oath of loyalty to the Nazis. Isn't that what your real earthly Messiah demands of those following him?

You quoted Hosea is a ridiculous fashion to another poster. Did you not read about God's "social justice" in it? It has a message aimed directly at you:
Hosea 12:6

And another verse describes your foolish attempt at pushing forward a Sword Waving Messiah:
Proverbs 29:7

Jesus’ acts of justice involve not only healing the hurting but also confronting those who have been doing the hurting. The powers-that-be retaliate--which is the message you promote. The religious and political leaders do have a kind of justice on their side—justice in the sense of the self-interests of people in power and their laws and policies that act to sustain their power. Jesus did violate this kind of “justice” and so ----retribution by the powers-that-be followed. That's you. Pouring out retribution in the name of an evil god, instead of winning with the Cross, by turning the other cheek---by acting JUSTLY so that righteousness is evident.

So don't worry about "social justice," God will provide you with His justice when you are done building your house of sand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJXIugwiN7Q

Assumedly your communistic leanings come from an unknown writer, writing about your leader, the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17), Peter. Maybe you should follow Peter's supposedly urging others to sell all they own and give to the church. On the other hand, Yeshua's instructions were if you wanted to become perfect, you were to sell all you own and give to the poor. Your socialistic attitude of the government taking from the widow and orphan to give to your non working friends, kind of breaks the Commandments of not to steal or covet our neighbor's goods.

As for you winning with the false gospel of the cross, you will die regardless of your beliefs (Jeremiah 31:30), and as the cross is the image of the mark of the beast with two horns like a lamb, your walk won't be enviable. And no, you have had no healing, nor can you heal, even your friend and brother McCain. No friend of McCain had the righteousness to pray for his health and heal him (James 5:16), even if McCain had confessed his sins, much less heal themselves. Go ahead and howl at the moon, it won't help your case.


The house built on sand, is the one built on the words of men, and not the testimony of Yeshua (Matthew 7:24-27). Your foundation is the testimony of the "worthless shepherd" Peter, and the false prophet Paul. The rains, floods, and wind are to continue until your house falls. The poor pope, heir of Peter, even has to hold on by his finger tips. The position of pope will "fall", but only the hour and day is in question (Isaiah 22:25).
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Old 09-01-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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Assumedly your communistic leanings come from an unknown writer, writing about your leader, the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17), Peter. Maybe you should follow Peter's supposedly urging others to sell all they own and give to the church. On the other hand, Yeshua's instructions were if you wanted to become perfect, you were to sell all you own and give to the poor. Your socialistic attitude of the government taking from the widow and orphan to give to your non working friends, kind of breaks the Commandments of not to steal or covet our neighbor's goods.

As for you winning with the false gospel of the cross, you will die regardless of your beliefs (Jeremiah 31:30), and as the cross is the image of the mark of the beast with two horns like a lamb, your walk won't be enviable. And no, you have had no healing, nor can you heal, even your friend and brother McCain. No friend of McCain had the righteousness to pray for his health and heal him (James 5:16), even if McCain had confessed his sins, much less heal themselves. Go ahead and howl at the moon, it won't help your case.


The house built on sand, is the one built on the words of men, and not the testimony of Yeshua (Matthew 7:24-27). Your foundation is the testimony of the "worthless shepherd" Peter, and the false prophet Paul. The rains, floods, and wind are to continue until your house falls. The poor pope, heir of Peter, even has to hold on by his finger tips. The position of pope will "fall", but only the hour and day is in question (Isaiah 22:25).
So anyone who dies, even at the age of 82 did not have faith and has the mark of the beast? You sound like just another nut who is proud as a peacock. There is nothing Christ-like about the way you communicate with people. Fear mongers are a dime a dozen.
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Old 09-01-2018, 11:03 AM
 
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So anyone who dies, even at the age of 82 did not have faith and has the mark of the beast? You sound like just another nut who is proud as a peacock. There is nothing Christ-like about the way you communicate with people. Fear mongers are a dime a dozen.
You must have come through our educational system.

Jeremiah 31:30, "everyone will die for their own iniquity". That would include you, and yes, you will not be changed from corruptible to incorruptible, and escape death. That is the lie of the Serpent, who says, "you surely shall not die".


It is your problem, that you lacked the righteousness for your prayers to heal McCain, even if he had confessed. (James 5:15-16) Your gospel of the cross will not help you or anyone else. The gospel of the kingdom of heaven is one in which the righteous have the power and the spirit, and their prayers are heard.

James 5:15-16 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the LORD will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. 16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.


As far as the "mark of the beast", well rumor has it that McCain went to a Baptist church, and of course, Baptist worship the cross and it's meaning, which would bring with it the mark of the beast. Whether McCain was going to a Baptist church for show, would be another question. The consequences for the mark of the beast, with respect to Revelation 14:10 are on the horizon, not in the present. What is in the present is Revelation 18:4, which is one must come out of "her"/the daughter of Babylon, or suffer her plagues. Cancer would be but one of many plagues that "Christians" of every sect suffer.


As for McCain dying at 82, that would be good in most cases, but his manner of death was not a blessing, and you were powerless to help your friend, or even yourself.

As for fear, fear of sickness and death, people voted for Obama because they wanted someone to heal their diseases and save their lives through Obamacare. The "people" remain unhealed. Your McCain is so loved in the media today because he saved the peoples salvation, Obamacare. McCain is now dead, and his followers will remain sick and die also. (Jeremiah 31:30).
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Old 09-01-2018, 11:13 AM
 
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Sorry,
Benjamin stayed in Jerusalem with Judah and Levi. They were not part of the northern tribes. Benjamin along with Levi and Judah, were ascribed as part of the house of Judah/Jews.
You are just wrong, and we have Paul's words that show you wrong along with common sense, along with scripture showing Benjamin in Ephraim, and again, you are just another person who reads Romans not understanding what you are reading.


The whole book of Romans is about the history of Israel, NOT JUDAH, but because you read from Romans 1 all the way through Romans 11, I can see that you don't know the difference between the two kingdoms.

Here is Romans speaking of those 7000 reserved from Ephraim, Not Judah....Now do you suppose these 7000 reserved men have anything to do with the kingdom of Judah?

NO, Paul has continuously taught the history of Israel and their destruction from the first chapter of Romans, and although you wont take Paul's own words about what he is, you should at least recognize that Romans is discussing the ten lost tribes and why they died.

And I understand that Christians don't want to admit what is true just like they wont admit what Romans is teaching.....Romans is teaching how Gentiles are grafted through the ten lost tribes, but you don't see that either do you?

Do you think these 7000 reserved men have something to do with Judah?

Romans 11
The Remnant of Israel
…3“Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars. I am the only one left, and they are seeking my life as well”? 4And what was the divine reply to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5In the same way, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.…

Either way, Messiah brings a covenant only for Ephraim and Judah, and which one do you think that you are? Neither.
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Old 09-01-2018, 11:20 AM
 
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You are just wrong, and we have Paul's words that show you wrong along with common sense, along with scripture showing Benjamin in Ephraim, and again, you are just another person who reads Romans not understanding what you are reading.


The whole book of Romans is about the history of Israel, NOT JUDAH, but because you read from Romans 1 all the way through Romans 11, I can see that you don't know the difference between the two kingdoms.

Here is Romans speaking of those 7000 reserved from Ephraim, Not Judah....Now do you suppose these 7000 reserved men have anything to do with the kingdom of Judah?

NO, Paul has continuously taught the history of Israel and their destruction from the first chapter of Romans, and although you wont take Paul's own words about what he is, you should at least recognize that Romans is discussing the ten lost tribes and why they died.

And I understand that Christians don't want to admit what is true just like they wont admit what Romans is teaching.....Romans is teaching how Gentiles are grafted through the ten lost tribes, but you don't see that either do you?

Do you think these 7000 reserved men have something to do with Judah?

Romans 11
The Remnant of Israel
…3“Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars. I am the only one left, and they are seeking my life as well”? 4And what was the divine reply to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5In the same way, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.…

Either way, Messiah brings a covenant only for Ephraim and Judah, and which one do you think that you are? Neither.
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