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Old 09-04-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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By the humility and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you—I, Paul, who am “timid” when face to face with you, but “bold” toward you when away! 2 I beg you that when I come I may not have to be as bold as I expect to be toward some people who think that we live by the standards of this world. 3 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 6 And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete.

7 You are judging by appearances.[a] If anyone is confident that they belong to Christ, they should consider again that we belong to Christ just as much as they do. 8 So even if I boast somewhat freely about the authority the Lord gave us for building you up rather than tearing you down, I will not be ashamed of it. 9 I do not want to seem to be trying to frighten you with my letters. 10 For some say, “His letters are weighty and forceful, but in person he is unimpressive and his speaking amounts to nothing.” 11 Such people should realize that what we are in our letters when we are absent, we will be in our actions when we are present.

12 We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise. 13 We, however, will not boast beyond proper limits, but will confine our boasting to the sphere of service God himself has assigned to us, a sphere that also includes you. 14 We are not going too far in our boasting, as would be the case if we had not come to you, for we did get as far as you with the gospel of Christ. 15 Neither do we go beyond our limits by boasting of work done by others. Our hope is that, as your faith continues to grow, our sphere of activity among you will greatly expand, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. For we do not want to boast about work already done in someone else’s territory. 17 But, “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[b] 18 For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.
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Old 09-04-2018, 08:03 AM
 
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I am not putting you down. You are being adversarial - which is typical for all things from the Bible.





Just stop...

You are only trying to be adversarial and stir the pot.... standard operating procedure.
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I am adversarial towards your beliefs about the bible not towards the scriptures that i read and think upon daily, because it is very profitable to do so, especially what Jesus taught and did. Get your facts right.
Do you cook much, DRob? Stirring the pot is a good thing. It keeps stuff from sticking to the bottom and ruining the dish.
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Old 09-04-2018, 09:43 AM
 
Location: New England
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Do you cook much, DRob? Stirring the pot is a good thing. It keeps stuff from sticking to the bottom and ruining the dish.
Amen Pleroo, Thank God that my beliefs are continually being challenged, they might rattle me for a bit and not always easy to accept, but i eventually get there. What i do know is you get nowhere thinking you have it all figured out because you believe the bible, and if something strange is stirring you, you reject it because it makes you uncomfortable. I have said it before, a poster who i rarely see post now, stirred me up real good in 2011, i thank God for her.
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Old 09-04-2018, 11:38 AM
 
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There is no difference in what this psychotic did from that which you attribute to the faithful.
If you believe the faithful were to slaughter men, women and children, then you have issues.
Gods way are not our ways. What 'wrong' in our view may not be so wrong in Gods view.

If you believe the bible, God is the one responsible for destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, just imagine all the people, women and children that were killed in those cities, just because what they were doing offended God...yet no one mourned what happened to those people or called God out on why he did this...

What do you think would happen in modern times if God decided to destroy a couple cities due to people sinning? Would christians be celebrating and honoring God or mourning and disgusted with him?
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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It depends on whether you are talking about OT or NT.

In the OT, there are verses instructing the faithful to kill blasphemers without mercy, even entire cities of people.

However this has nothing to do with what the guy did to his GF.
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There is no difference in what this psychotic did from that which you attribute to the faithful.
If you believe the faithful were to slaughter men, women and children, then you have issues.
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Gods way are not our ways. What 'wrong' in our view may not be so wrong in Gods view.

If you believe the bible, God is the one responsible for destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, just imagine all the people, women and children that were killed in those cities, just because what they were doing offended God...yet no one mourned what happened to those people or called God out on why he did this...

What do you think would happen in modern times if God decided to destroy a couple cities due to people sinning? Would Christians be celebrating and honoring God or mourning and disgusted with him?
The reason his ways are not like that of man's is because men attribute to him their own thoughts of destruction. And, no, he did not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah or the cities around them - that was a natural catastrophe. Perhaps, a small body of matter from outer space that entered the earth's atmosphere, hitting the planet. But of course, men gave the credit for destruction to their God.

If this planet gets hit with an asteroid that causes the destruction of cities or human life, surely that would be a natural catastrophe, no different than that of a tornado or the eruption of a volcano? Or, an earthquake that causes a tsunami. But I have no doubt that the religious mindset would decry, "the sin of man caused this to happen, repent and be saved!"

Personally, I would be mourning the loss of loved one's or those who were lost, not blaming it on God. People drown in swimming pools, get hit by moving vehicles and die - should we also blame that on a Creator or something that was unfortunate.
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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Everyone wants to believe that god is on their side..some pray to win sporting contests, some pray to win wars, others pray for shelter, food and comfort.

But what happens when one prays for an answer and is told to murder the sinner?


A Christian male in Washington state is under arrest after confessing to beheading his girlfriend because she refused to repent.

Most everyone hears that "voice"in the back of their head, telling them not to do it, to stop now, or to say something, or the other thread that told the woman to push the alarm, but when that voice tells us to strike out at another human...


When does the act cross the line and how will the organized church address such tragedies?
Many can give such a command, but a Christian would not obey it.


In the case above the guy was a nut job.
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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Many can give such a command, but a Christian would not obey it.


In the case above the guy was a nut job.
Nobody in their right mind would do such a thing.
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Old 09-05-2018, 06:25 AM
 
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The reason his ways are not like that of man's is because men attribute to him their own thoughts of destruction. And, no, he did not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah or the cities around them - that was a natural catastrophe. Perhaps, a small body of matter from outer space that entered the earth's atmosphere, hitting the planet. But of course, men gave the credit for destruction to their God.

If this planet gets hit with an asteroid that causes the destruction of cities or human life, surely that would be a natural catastrophe, no different than that of a tornado or the eruption of a volcano? Or, an earthquake that causes a tsunami. But I have no doubt that the religious mindset would decry, "the sin of man caused this to happen, repent and be saved!"

Personally, I would be mourning the loss of loved one's or those who were lost, not blaming it on God. People drown in swimming pools, get hit by moving vehicles and die - should we also blame that on a Creator or something that was unfortunate.
Well, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah were supernatural, its not like people could have confused it with some naturally occurring disaster, they KNEW it was coming from God and probably knew why it was being done.

Besides that, I doubt God would want anyone to mistakenly label a punishment of his, as being a natural disaster, in other words, if God is sending down punishment like this, he very much wants everyone to KNOW its coming from him and why he is doing it.
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Old 09-05-2018, 09:08 AM
 
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The reason his ways are not like that of man's is because men attribute to him their own thoughts of destruction. And, no, he did not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah or the cities around them - that was a natural catastrophe. Perhaps, a small body of matter from outer space that entered the earth's atmosphere, hitting the planet. But of course, men gave the credit for destruction to their God.

If this planet gets hit with an asteroid that causes the destruction of cities or human life, surely that would be a natural catastrophe, no different than that of a tornado or the eruption of a volcano? Or, an earthquake that causes a tsunami. But I have no doubt that the religious mindset would decry, "the sin of man caused this to happen, repent and be saved!"

Personally, I would be mourning the loss of loved one's or those who were lost, not blaming it on God. People drown in swimming pools, get hit by moving vehicles and die - should we also blame that on a Creator or something that was unfortunate.
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Well, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah were supernatural, its not like people could have confused it with some naturally occurring disaster, they KNEW it was coming from God and probably knew why it was being done.

Besides that, I doubt God would want anyone to mistakenly label a punishment of his, as being a natural disaster, in other words, if God is sending down punishment like this, he very much wants everyone to KNOW its coming from him and why he is doing it.
No, it wasn't supernatural, nor is he punishing people for a finite life where they may miss the mark.
What you attribute to him merely came from the thoughts of men who are frail and superstitious.
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Old 09-05-2018, 08:34 PM
 
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No, it wasn't supernatural, nor is he punishing people for a finite life where they may miss the mark.
What you attribute to him merely came from the thoughts of men who are frail and superstitious.
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