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Old 09-05-2018, 08:32 PM
 
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"Have you ever read something in the Bible that made you just scratch your head? Has a skeptic ever challenged you to defend a seemingly scandalous verse of Scripture?
You’re not alone. The Bible contains more than a few “hard sayings” (John 6:60): ancient idioms, apparent contradictions, myth-like events and figures, and passages that seem to be embarrassingly out of step with modern culture or science."



Yes, you need to give them your info. It's all voluntary though. I like Trent Horn, he explains things very well.
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Old 09-07-2018, 06:05 AM
 
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https://www.catholic.com/hard-sayings

Free e-book.

"Have you ever read something in the Bible that made you just scratch your head? Has a skeptic ever challenged you to defend a seemingly scandalous verse of Scripture?
You’re not alone. The Bible contains more than a few “hard sayings” (John 6:60): ancient idioms, apparent contradictions, myth-like events and figures, and passages that seem to be embarrassingly out of step with modern culture or science."



Yes, you need to give them your info. It's all voluntary though. I like Trent Horn, he explains things very well.
I attended a Bible study recently. In attendance that evening was a former Catholic nun by the name of Elisa. Over several weeks she'd make statements about the church that convinced her to leave her vocation as nun and as a member of the church.

One of these facts was the stated attitude of Catholic leadership that the laity ought not be persuaded to study or read the Bible on their own. The short and sweet of it is;

"The Bible is not your playground."

If Catholic laity is discouraged from studying the Bible for themselves, how may they be expected to glean any truth from discipleship to Christ?

The straight answer is that it would be very difficult.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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Old 09-07-2018, 07:25 AM
 
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janelle...Idea ...could you take one example every couple of days and post us?
You could even paraphrase..not copy/paste if that is not permitted.
I would love to see explanations of contradictory or hard to understand verses or stories.
That was a good idea of him to write a book on this.
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Old 09-07-2018, 07:53 AM
 
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https://www.catholic.com/hard-sayings

Free e-book.

"Have you ever read something in the Bible that made you just scratch your head? Has a skeptic ever challenged you to defend a seemingly scandalous verse of Scripture?
You’re not alone. The Bible contains more than a few “hard sayings” (John 6:60): ancient idioms, apparent contradictions, myth-like events and figures, and passages that seem to be embarrassingly out of step with modern culture or science."



Yes, you need to give them your info. It's all voluntary though. I like Trent Horn, he explains things very well.
If I didn't have to give them my email address I'd consider downloading it.

In all honesty, though, I'm familiar with Trent Horn. I just don't know that he's really into serious Bible study, as much as he uses it only as far as to attempt to prove the Catholic Church, and then let Tradition take precedence over it.
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Old 09-07-2018, 09:08 AM
 
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I personally have no interest in what the Catholic church - or any church or denomination - has to say, or wants to "add" to the Bible.

This thread is just advertising and boostering for the Catholic church.

Any biblical "difficulties" can be solved with an individual and the Bible, or an individual and direct communication with God (praying, meditating), or a combination of both approaches. Relying on other people and especially churches is an invitation for more confusion and trouble.
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Old 09-07-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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Well one needs to know Jewish history for one thing. Be a history scholar. I can't figure that out by myself and no one else can either. We need teachers. I never thought I could go to school without teachers helping me to learn.

If you think you can just give your child a pile of school books and tell him to understand it all, that would be foolish. We always had a group of people/ministers/priests in the church to teach us about the bible. Those who went to seminary to learn themselves.


You can read the bible on your own, certainly, but you will only get some of what it is teaching, you won't go any deeper.
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Old 09-07-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2SFgDZ-1fM

You can watch Trent on here. Trent talks about his book.
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Old 09-07-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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Well one needs to know Jewish history for one thing. Be a history scholar. I can't figure that out by myself and no one else can either. We need teachers. I never thought I could go to school without teachers helping me to learn.

If you think you can just give your child a pile of school books and tell him to understand it all, that would be foolish. We always had a group of people/ministers/priests in the church to teach us about the bible. Those who went to seminary to learn themselves.


You can read the bible on your own, certainly, but you will only get some of what it is teaching, you won't go any deeper.

You say you've always had good priests/ministers/teachers? How would you know if they were teaching truth or feeding you a line? I'm not suggesting that they were...but I'm just asking.

Give yourself some credit. You seem like a smart person. You CAN figure a lot of that stuff out with some basic understanding. Pick up a text book or two on the time periods, and you can learn this stuff without having to be spoon fed their classic answers to questions on the RCC theology.

Look...I'm not going to bash the Catholic church. But don't think you have to rely on them alone to learn.
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Old 09-07-2018, 03:30 PM
 
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Well one needs to know Jewish history for one thing. Be a history scholar. I can't figure that out by myself and no one else can either. We need teachers. I never thought I could go to school without teachers helping me to learn.

If you think you can just give your child a pile of school books and tell him to understand it all, that would be foolish. We always had a group of people/ministers/priests in the church to teach us about the bible. Those who went to seminary to learn themselves.


You can read the bible on your own, certainly, but you will only get some of what it is teaching, you won't go any deeper.
If he charges for his book, he is ignoring "you received free, give free", thus not really following the Bible.


Kinda hard to claim to be teaching it and ignoring it at the same time.
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Old 09-07-2018, 03:47 PM
 
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If he charges for his book, he is ignoring "you received free, give free", thus not really following the Bible.
Kinda hard to claim to be teaching it and ignoring it at the same time.
Give to Caesar what is Caesar's ...He's a researcher...people have to live and make a living...buy the book, I say.
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