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Old 09-13-2018, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Florida
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We always knew that.
I dont know who "we" is, but if you read the comments it is clear some people argued only "fundamentalist" Christians think so, but its good to see them walk back those comments.

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SOME of us understand what MAKES them "sin" and some of us are still thinking it's because they are on their imaginary "list." And THOSE benighted souls refuse to answer questions as to WHY things on their "list" SHOULD be considered "sin."
You'll have to answer that yourself, since you are the only one talking about a "list".
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Old 09-13-2018, 06:31 PM
 
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We are not at the end of time, humanity still has much too learn.

Please, push yourself away from that table.

The worlds weather is wreaking havoc all over, getting worse at an alarming rate they are saying now, July alone-worldwide 5 degrees above avg. 9 storms at once in the oceans that can all be major players as we speak. Prices soaring and will get worse quickly. Gods kingdom is mankinds only remaining hope.
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Old 09-13-2018, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I dont know who "we" is, but if you read the comments it is clear some people argued only "fundamentalist" Christians think so, but its good to see them walk back those comments.

You'll have to answer that yourself, since you are the only one talking about a "list".
No, Finn, everyone who argues against fundamentalist perceptions is arguing that they THINK things are "sin" that are not. Granted that some people see "sin" as an awkward term but know that there is such a thing as right and wrong.

As for the "list." Why do YOU think homosexual activity is "sin," Finn?
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Old 09-13-2018, 08:32 PM
 
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Between 1Corinthians 6:9-11, and Galations 5:19-21 combined with all the false god worship and partaking off the table of demons= 99%--The reason Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day. He taught only few would find the road. Few listen to him that is why.
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We are not at the end of time, humanity still has much too learn.

Please, push yourself away from that table.
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The worlds weather is wreaking havoc all over, getting worse at an alarming rate they are saying now, July alone-worldwide 5 degrees above avg. 9 storms at once in the oceans that can all be major players as we speak. Prices soaring and will get worse quickly. Gods kingdom is mankinds only remaining hope.
On average an economical system only lasts for about three hundred years, give or take.
So, are you timid, fearful and paranoid? And are you looking for another monetary system?
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:59 AM
 
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No, Finn, everyone who argues against fundamentalist perceptions is arguing that they THINK things are "sin" that are not. Granted that some people see "sin" as an awkward term but know that there is such a thing as right and wrong.

As for the "list." Why do YOU think homosexual activity is "sin," Finn?
The OP topic: "The fact that God regards certain human behaviors and attitudes as sinful is a core truth of Christianity."

I know you love to talk about homosexual activity etc, but why does every thread have to be about it?

What is sin? Is is a rebellion against God's will.

1 John 3:4 "Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness."

We sin because we are sinful, it is in our inherited nature (Rom 5 12). We are born that way, which is why the Bible teaches those who do not believe are condemned already. John 3 18: "whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of Godís one and only Son".

You don't need a list to figure out you are a sinner. You are a sinner. Period. Everyone is a sinner, the only issue is whether or not Christ will hold your sins against you. See John 3 16.

This sin nature causes us to commit personal sins, which is what you are focused on, and they range from hostile attitudes to murder.

Your problem is that you reject the existence of the illness, and focus on only on the symptoms. Cure the illness, and the symptoms go away
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:00 AM
 
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On average an economical system only lasts for about three hundred years, give or take.
So, are you timid, fearful and paranoid? And are you looking for another monetary system?

My only hope is in Gods kingdom, not the things of mortals.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:33 AM
 
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Well, Finn, that's an interesting spate of words to avoid answering the question. I particularly enjoyed, "Your problem is that you reject the existence of the illness, and focus on only on the symptoms. Cure the illness, and the symptoms go away."

No, Finn, I don't "reject the illness" and little things like saying that we know "that there is a right and wrong" should help you understand that I do. Granted that I see it in terms of a conflict in human nature between selfish desires and the good of the community but I DO still recognize that we all mess up and need to be forgiven. The REAL difference is in what we each perceive to be "a rebellion against God's will." You see "God's will" as the specific prohibitions you read in the Bible (although some of them have changed) and I see it as a violation of the principle Jesus revealed as the foundation for the Community of God.

The question on homosexuality is just the only issue that illustrates the difference since you refuse to recognize that slavery being wrong is a new realization of the truth of God's love. (i.e. it is not specifically said to be wrong in the Bible and took nearly 2,000 years to realize and incorporate into Christian consciousness)
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:15 AM
 
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We sin because we are sinful, it is in our inherited nature (Rom 5 12). We are born that way, which is why the Bible teaches those who do not believe are condemned already. John 3 18: "whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of Godís one and only Son".

You don't need a list to figure out you are a sinner. You are a sinner. Period. Everyone is a sinner, the only issue is whether or not Christ will hold your sins against you. See John 3 16.
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No, Finn, I don't "reject the illness" and little things like saying that we know "that there is a right and wrong" should help you understand that I do.
So, you agree we sin because of our inherited sin nature?
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Old 09-14-2018, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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So, you agree we sin because of our inherited sin nature?
You can put it that way.
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:10 AM
 
Location: New England
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So, you agree we sin because of our inherited sin nature?
Not at all, the life we believe in outside of the Father is an illusion, and when you live by something outside of the Father, even if it's an illusion, there's a tendency for us all to habitually miss the mark(fall short of the glory).
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