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Old 09-14-2018, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Not at all, the life we believe in outside of the Father is an illusion, and when you live by something outside of the Father, even if it's an illusion, there's a tendency for us all to habitually miss the mark(fall short of the glory).
The point is that there is often a conflict between what is at best a survival instinct, and at worst selfishness and the commitment to community that is the "New Covenant."
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:12 PM
 
Location: New England
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The point is that there is often a conflict between what is at best a survival instinct, and at worst selfishness.
Yes there is because we habitually lean on our own understanding than the Lord's, which inevitably causes harm to our nature and of cause ourselves.
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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The point is that there is often a conflict between what is at best a survival instinct and at worst selfishness and the commitment to community that is the "New Covenant."
Our physical survival and satisfaction of our carnal needs are what drives us and that runs into conflict with the survival and carnal needs of others.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The point is that there is often a conflict between what is at best a survival instinct, and at worst selfishness and the commitment to community that is the "New Covenant."
The New Covenant is not a "community commitment". If it were, it would depend on you, but the truth is that it exists no matter what you do, or don't do. It is a covenant between Christ and us.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The New Covenant is not a "community commitment". If it were, it would depend on you, but the truth is that it exists no matter what you do, or don't do. It is a covenant between Christ and us.
Are you actually saying that a covenant does not require the participation of two or more parties?

cov·e·nant
ˈkəvənənt/
noun
1.
an agreement.
synonyms: contract, agreement, undertaking, commitment, guarantee, warrant, pledge, promise, bond, indenture; pact, deal, settlement, arrangement, understanding
"a breach of the covenant"
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The New Covenant is not a "community commitment". If it were, it would depend on you, but the truth is that it exists no matter what you do, or don't do. It is a covenant between Christ and us.
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Are you actually saying that a covenant does not require the participation of two or more parties?

cov·e·nant
ˈkəvənənt/
noun
1.
an agreement.
synonyms: contract, agreement, undertaking, commitment, guarantee, warrant, pledge, promise, bond, indenture; pact, deal, settlement, arrangement, understanding
"a breach of the covenant"
No, I actually said what you quoted me saying.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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No, I actually said what you quoted me saying.
Then please explain what you mean because as it stands it makes no sense whatsoever.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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Then please explain what you mean because as it stands it makes no sense whatsoever.
I am not sure I can make it any clearer. It is not a "community commitment", it is a covenant/agreement between Christ and us. It establishes fellowship between us and God through Christ, who declared John 3:16.
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I am not sure I can make it any clearer. It is not a "community commitment", it is a covenant/agreement between Christ and us. It establishes fellowship between us and God through Christ, who declared John 3:16.
So, basically you just need to look up "community?" What does the word that is translated "church" mean?
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Old 09-15-2018, 05:27 PM
 
Location: New England
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I am not sure I can make it any clearer. It is not a "community commitment", it is a covenant/agreement between Christ and us. It establishes fellowship between us and God through Christ, who declared John 3:16.
When you see that this is as far as it goes for fundementalists you cannot but help sighing at such ignorance.
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