Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
The question is simple: Are certain human behaviors sinful.
Its telling you don't have an answer to it.
And the point you refuse to see is that it is not a matter of specific behavior that makes something a "sin," it is a matter of motivation. Laws themselves can only reflect well or poorly the governing principle and they ARE (or should be) subject to that concern for EVERYone that IS the basic principle of community and justice.
Citing a specific behavior that YOU think is against the rules without justifying that idea according to this principle is against what Jesus taught.
Behaviors that harm other people are what are wrong.
That someone compiled a list of what they thought God thought those behaviors were based on their norms and culture at the time does not automatically make them so.
The people that compiled that list were all men in a society run by males that was primarily concerned with bloodlines and property rights and tribal identification and the belief that men were superior to women. Those types of beliefs can indeed be, and have been, very, very harmful to others throughout history, particularly when it was declared that GOD said this is the way it is supposed to be.
Hence the clarification by Jesus that the prime directive on which to base behavior is to love one another.
Is murder harmful to another? Yes. Is stealing harmful to another? Yes. Is rape harmful to another? Yes.
Is two consenting adults having sex harmful to another? Not in and of itself, although it can be if by doing so a person is violating a commitment to another person not to have sex with someone else.
Is leaving a beaten man in a ditch because helping him might mean you aren't able to follow the rules to perform a ritual included in the aforementioned compiled list harmful? Yes.
Seriously? Is raping a child OK, if done with proper motivation?
No, such behavior is always sinful.
Seems obvious you are simply looking for ways to justify your actions.
Please explain to me how raping a child CAN be properly motivated. Please incorporate into your explanation how rape demonstrates a concern for the child involved. Seriously, how oblivious ARE you?
Last edited by nateswift; 09-12-2018 at 04:30 PM..
Please explain to me how raping a child CAN be properly motivated. Please incorporate into your explanation how rape demonstrates a concern for the child involved. Seriously, how oblivious ARE you?
Please explain to me how raping a child CAN be properly motivated. Please incorporate into your explanation how rape demonstrates a concern for the child involved. Seriously, how oblivious ARE you?
He clearly has never thought about the implications of the requirement to consider the well-being of everyone concerned, Nate.
Originally Posted by nateswift
And the point you refuse to see is that it is not a matter of specific behavior that makes something a "sin," it is a matter of motivation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Seriously? Is raping a child OK, if done with proper motivation?
No, such behavior is always sinful.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nateswift
Please explain to me how raping a child CAN be properly motivated.
Don't play dumb. I specifically said such behavior is always sinful. I asked you to explain your view, since you argue it is not matter of action, but motivation.
My point is that certain behaviors are ALWAYS sinful.
The original question was: "are certain human behaviors sinful", which the OP says is a core truth in Christianity This is something you (and others) to disagree with, and it looks like my example has you doubting your stance.
Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 09-13-2018 at 06:53 AM..
I can't see that there's anything new age about dispensing with penal substitution or blood sacrifice, and especially when that is a foundational principle of the belief system. And by the way OP, they are 'tenets' of Christianity, not truths. A system of beliefs rooted in faith quickly becomes a cult when people refer to or have to accept them as "truths". Cults operate on fear - fear of rejection. One has to deal with that when the cognitive/emotional dissonance becomes too great. Better sooner than later.
If you don't understand it, just say so. Don't say it is wrong because you cant understand it.
How about murder? Do you think God might consider it sinful?
As for murder, even Jesus sent the centurion back to wage war...
I said it is wrong because all you have done is say certain behaviors...
Is it wrong to steal food when you are hungry?
Seems there cannot be some universal claim that certain behaviors are wrong. It brings to mind the idea that whatever the powers to be decide are sinful, that will be the sin of the day.
If you believe all behaviors are sinful, just say so and I can sit back with the popcorn..
As for murder, even Jesus sent the centurion back to wage war...
I said it is wrong because all you have done is say certain behaviors...
Is it wrong to steal food when you are hungry?
Seems there cannot be some universal claim that certain behaviors are wrong. It brings to mind the idea that whatever the powers to be decide are sinful, that will be the sin of the day.
If you believe all behaviors are sinful, just say so and I can sit back with the popcorn..
If you agree murder is sinful, then you agree certain behaviors are sinful.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
He clearly has never thought about the implications of the requirement to consider the well-being of everyone concerned, Nate.
