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Old 09-09-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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A number of items have been crafted and made ready in certain locations in Jerusalem.

Jews don't generally admit to a desire to build a third temple mostly because they can't agree where to put it. The orthodox argue constantly with anyone about it and reform Jews are watching and waiting for an opportunity. Political considerations, particularly Muslim opposition regarding a particular point of real estate, warrant consideration as well.

Most of the talk these days stumbles over a location for the structure - the temple mount. However, that is NOT where the temple of Solomon (1st temple) and the temple of Herod (2nd temple) were placed. The third temple, the temple of Ezekiel, must be built where the first two were built. Neither were built on the temple mount. They were built in the City of David upon the Gihon Spring. Ezekiel describes the spring flowing out of the third temple.

The City of David was constructed upon the threshing floor of the Jebusite Araunah (1 Chronicles 21). The first capital was in that place and rapidly expanded into what came to be known as the larger city of Jerusalem. Using Google maps, one can see the City of David is next to the Temple Mount and juts out like a peninsula of land. Today the City of David is like a human appendix - useless except for archeological examination.

When the temple was used for animal sacrifice a constant source of water was necessary for washing of the people, the priests, the implements, the altar and so on. That water source was and is the Gihon Spring. There is NO source of water on the temple mount at all.

Neither is there any Muslim opposition to building a temple in the City of David.

Some good documentaries on the subject may be found on youTube.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Herod did not build the second Temple...

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Over the centuries, the Muslims who eventually took control of Jerusalem built two mosques on the Temple Mount, the site of the two Jewish Temples. (This was no coincidence; it is a common Islamic custom to build mosques on the sites of other people's holy places.) Since any attempt to level these mosques would lead to an international Muslim holy war (jihad) against Israel, the Temple cannot be rebuilt in the foreseeable future. - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...lomon-s-temple
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Old 09-09-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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LOL, you are just making things up now.

LOL, rapture of death.
Matthew 24
[37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
[39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left [Rapture of the Bride].
[42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
[43] But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

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Tell us why the wise virgins had an extra vessel and tell us how to obtain an extra vessel, and then, by all means, tell us where we should go to purchase the oil that the wise virgins purchased so we will be wise virgins.........
The foolish virgins have lamps with no oil, which represents the Holy Spirit.

Revelation 3
[7] And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
[8] I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
[9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
[10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation [Tribulation Period], which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
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Old 09-09-2018, 11:42 AM
 
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Matthew 24
[37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
[39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left [Rapture of the Bride].
[42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
[43] But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.



The foolish virgins have lamps with no oil, which represents the Holy Spirit.

Revelation 3
[7] And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
[8] I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
[9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
[10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation [Tribulation Period], which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Again, you are making things up because you refuse to study the fall feasts, and you don't know Jesus is speaking of Rosh Hashanah because you literally reject the 7 feasts of Messiah and his appointed visitation days and you are sitting here speaking of the great division. Those two women in the field are the same person who is divided soul and spirit, the two men in the bed is the same person, and what is so obviously wrong is that at the coming of Messiah found two women, or two men, when the idea is that you are supposed to be a virgin to a Jewish bridegroom but you have rejected his appointed days because you want to be the man instead of the bride, and now you and your supposed bridegroom are in two separate religions because you chose and created your own ways of lawlessness and paganism instead of the feasts of Messiah, and so you are going to be cut in half because God didn't find a man and a woman, he found two men in a bed, and two women at the wheel working side by side instead of a Gentile virgin betrothed to a Jewish bridegroom.


Of course, none of that really matters when you believe you can purchase the Holy spirit, so before you want to teach of the parable, you had better make peace with the fact that you are saying that we can buy the holy spirit.
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Old 09-09-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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Of course, none of that really matters when you believe you can purchase the Holy spirit, so before you want to teach of the parable, you had better make peace with the fact that you are saying that we can buy the holy spirit.
It's a parable. Stop being ridiculous, as usual.
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Old 09-09-2018, 11:58 AM
 
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And again, Jesus speaking of the Fall Holy days in Matthew 24 isn't speaking of the last days, it is speaking of YOUR OWN VISITATIONS. Those people knew the day of the Lord was coming swiftly because the day of the Lord came to them after much study, after they had died daily in a Passover lifestyle, after they were given a new seed in Pentecost where they began raising a child on meat, TO THEN being EXPECTANT for the coming of the Lord in their own life, they waited upon the day no man knows after they finished walking in the appointed 42 months of the spring for the sacrifices to be cut off in the Temple they Became, and when the sacrifices are cut off, you are supposed to see and realize the abomination standing within YOU, YOU are the Temple.


This realization brings on the second coming of the Lord when he is CROSSING OVER from the spring to the fall.


Revelation is not written of some 2000 year future, everything in the book of Revelation MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS..


IT IS THE FIRST THING REVELATION SAYS, AND THE LAST THING IT SAYS.


Revelation 1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;


Revelation 22
Jesus is Coming
6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.


How does each Gentile Christian live by the prophesies of the book when they think it is some future last days book?


Those first gentile converts to Judaism KNEW these things, THEY KNEW the coming of the Lord happened when you had raised a child on the milk of the word, and when that child began to eat the meat, the day no man would come, that person would begin walking in those fall Holy days, and Rosh Hashanah happens in their own lifetime as they were anticipating the coming of Jesus to them personally on the day of the Lord.
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Old 09-09-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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Tuesday
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Right now, we are in the ten days of repentance to Yom Kippur. These ten days shown in Revelation is the ten days between the day that no man knows, and Yom Kippur.


A few days ago on Rosh Hashanah, Jesus was sealing the foreheads and right hands of all people who keep his Sabbaths and his feasts, and anyone who was not sealed on Rosh Hashanah, they have ten days to repent.


Repent of what?


A gentile repents for not obtaining the seal of God on Rosh Hashanah to seal him against Yom Kippur, and there is only the one promise of God how a person obtains that seal of God. There are not two ways to obtain that promised seal of protection for a Gentile against Yom Kippur.
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Old 09-09-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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Daniel's 70th week, Jacob's last week of punishment for transgression, has not happened yet. It will be fulfilled preceding Jesus' third appearance.

1st appearance: Jesus came in the flesh to be the Lamb of God
2nd appearance: He steps out on the clouds to take His Bride home. The world will not see Him.
3rd appearance: He comes as the Lion of the tribe of Judah with the armies of Heaven for all the world to see and to devour His enemies. Ungodly men want war with God, they will get it -- Armageddon.

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Daniel's 70th week, Jacob's last week of punishment for transgression, has not happened yet. It will be fulfilled preceding Jesus' third appearance.

the 70th week is Jesus crucified on the cross put an end to the sacrificial system
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The word "sevens" or "weeks" literally means "sabbaths", the way of counting days by sevens. Looking to history, we discover that the actual time period from both the decrees (that are most commonly suggested as the decree mentioned in verse 25), 69 weeks, or 483 days, was fulfilled in real years. The first was from the decree to Ezra in 458 BC (Ezra 7:11ff) and was fulfilled in 486.5 of our solar years until Jesus' crucifixion in 29-30 AD. Verse 26 adds that after the 69th consecutive "week", i.e., sometime after 483 years, the one who is anointed (verse 24, "Messiah") would be killed. The second decree was from the decree to Nehemiah in 444 BC (Neh 2:4-9) and was also fulfilled at the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus in lunar years: the middle of the seventieth week would be 486.5 years, which, dating from from 444 BC, comes to 29 AD, the year of Jesus' crucifixion. Then we are told that His people would be responsible for destroying the city and the temple (literally the city and the "holy"). The whole period after Messiah's death would be filled with an increasing "flood" of destruction (desolations) until the city's ultimate destruction in A.D. 70.

Verse 25 expands on the introduction in verse 24, and verse 27 functions as an explanation of the desolations in verse 26. It tells us why the city would be destroyed; in what way the people of Jerusalem were responsible for its destruction. It also gives a more precise time frame. First, in this specific week (literally in Hebrew it reads, [Dan 9:27 direct translation] "...and he will strengthen a covenant with the many one week…") Messiah will "strengthen" or "make strong" a covenant with "the many", i.e., the nations and not just the Jews. Then, in the middle of the week Messiah would cause the system of sacrifices and offerings to end-He did this by the permanent, once-and-for-all sacrifice of His death (Hebrews 10:8-12). Hebrews 10:9 even says that He takes away the first system to establish the permanent sacrifice. This means that the apostles understood this fulfillment. The last important idea in verse 27 is that on the "skirts" or "wings" of the "detestable things" or "abominations" of the Jews there would result "desolations" or "appalling horrors" right up until the final destruction of those responsible. The abominations in question are the idolatrous sacrifices and offerings of the Jewish people who rejected God's permanent provision of the sacrifice of the Messiah.

The "abominations" of the Jews, i.e., their idolatrous sacrifices offered in the name of God after He has already provided the final and ultimate Sacrifice in His Son, once again brought "desolation" on their city, Jerusalem, and the temple in AD 70, when the Romans besieged and levelled the city in a massive slaughter. War led up to the final, complete destruction of Jerusalem, in 70. Desolation resulted and continued century after century for most of the subsequent 2000 years. This was the terrible punishment that God had warned Israel about in the second half of Leviticus 26. And so we can see how important this prophecy, in Daniel 9:24-27, really is, when properly interpreted. It explains why the Jewish nation has suffered so much, and for so long, with no country to call their own until 1948 and the re-birth of the State of Israel. It was not the first time God had allowed "desolations" to come upon the people of Israel. But these "desolations" since Israel rejected their Anointed One, their Messiah, their Anointed Prince, their Most Holy One, have turned out to be "a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will [again]" (Mat 24:21). Isn't it amazing how even the most tragic history makes sense, and how the pieces of the puzzle fall into place, when Scripture is carefully studied and allowed to interpret itself?


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2nd appearance: He steps out on the clouds to take His Bride home. The world will not see Him.


3rd appearance: He comes as the Lion of the tribe of Judah with the armies of Heaven for all the world to see and to devour His enemies. Ungodly men want war with God, they will get it -- Armageddon.

no where in the bible say Jesus will come 3 times that's unbiblical

Jesus will not come in secret and then return again.

many churches who are preaching the secret rapture and Jesuit futurism are taking part in the Vatican papacy to unite all churches and religions into a new one world religion

this is what the bible said about the second coming


2 Peter 3

The Day of the Lord
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Hebrews 9:28 ESV
So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

he will appear a second time not coming in secret and coming a third time

Revelation 1:7 ESV
Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.



and there will be no rapture of Christians. the bible say Christians will suffer tribulations and persecutions


But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Mark 13:24-27
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Old 09-09-2018, 01:00 PM
 
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The last days are upon us. The Jews are preparing for the rebuilding of the third Temple as it's written in the Scriptures.
seriously? by committing war crimes the Jewish people are ready to rebuild the temple??

The reason why the temple has not (and never will be) rebuilt is it gives the evangelicals something to promote prophecy, just like the alleged return of Christ..
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Old 09-09-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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seriously? by committing war crimes the Jewish people are ready to rebuild the temple??
It's no surprise that the devil thinks Israel commits war crimes. Truth is, God gave Israel the land, so defending it is not a war crime, especially when God fights for you.

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The reason why the temple has not (and never will be) rebuilt is it gives the evangelicals something to promote prophecy, just like the alleged return of Christ..
It will be rebuilt, just as sure as Israel became a nation against astronomical odds.
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Old 09-09-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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Truth is, God gave Israel the land, so defending it is not a war crime,
Sure it is. International law is not rooted in Jewish Law.

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It will be rebuilt, just as sure as Israel became a nation against astronomical odds.
Your "astronomical odds" narrative is a romantic lie. It became a nation with the military assistance of Britain. It took all of a few decisions in some offices.

I'm not sure why you are so optimistic in regard to the results of the Temple being rebuilt.

Jewish narrative has the Jews "resting", in the messianic time, as they do on their Sabbath. The messianic time is a metaphor for the Sabbath. Its the millennium after the first 6, or the seventh day after the first 6, by their calendar. That's the metaphor.

In their Talmud, no gentile is allowed to rest on any day of the week. That's right, they force laws on gentiles. However, they will "sit like a master and eat" while gentiles serve them in their messianic time. Their edicts are an overt advertisement for a master slave relationship between Jews and Gentiles in their messianic time.

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https://judaism.stackexchange.com/qu...eep-the-sabbat

A non Jew is not allowed to keep Shabbos.

The Torah says "The Children of Israel shall observe the Sabbath, to make the Sabbath an eternal covenant for their generations. Between Me and the Children of Israel it is a sign forever that in a six-day period Hashem made the heaven and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed." (Exodus 31:16,17 Artscroll Translation).

The Sabbath was given as a sign and covenant to Israel, a Gentile is forbidden to observe the Sabbath or to make a Sabbath of their own, a Halachah codified in the Mishneh Torah, Laws of Kings 10:9.

the obligation to not keep shabbos is incumbent upon the Gentile.

RMB"M writes that gentiles are not allowed to rest during any day of the week, be it shabbat, sunday, or even wednesday.

1. The Rambam in codifiying this law (Melachim uMilchamot 10:9) explains that the issue is in gentiles innovating their own laws:

Similarly, a gentile who rests, even on a weekday, observing that day as a Sabbath, is obligated to die. Needless to say, he is obligated for that punishment if he creates a festival for himself. The general principle governing these matters is: They are not to be allowed to originate a new religion or create mitzvot for themselves based on their own decisions. They may either become righteous converts and accept all the mitzvot or retain their statutes without adding or detracting from them.
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Ovadia Yosef’s most controversial quotations

The purpose of Gentiles — to serve Jews:

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”

“In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

“This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.

Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.”
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