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Old 09-21-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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Your New Testament has Jesus stating that he was only sent unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel...That is hardly everyone...

The nation of Israel had been adopted by God as his chosen people.
He sent his son first to help those chosen people.
He gave multiple prophesies about their coming Messiah, so they could recognize him right away.


However . . .

Instead of accepting & following their Messiah . . . their religious leaders set him up to be put to death.
A few days before it came to that, Jesus told those religious leaders what he & his Father thought of them in chapter 23 of the Bible book of Matthew.



In particular, notice verses 37 & 38 . . .



“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you.”



His Father had warned them that He would disown them if they rebelled against him again. They had become apostate before, & gone so far as to offer their own living children as live burnt offerings to pagan gods. . . . This time they had gone so far as to set up God's first-born son as a detestable criminal, to be whipped & then hung, nailed onto a stake, until dead. This was the 'straw that broke the camel's back!



The other times they had gone apostate, God had taken them back after they showed remorse & returned to His ways. This time there was to be no taking of them back, for this principle applied to them:


“If we practice sin willfully



after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,



there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.” (Hebrews 10:26)



After that, people of all nations, tongues, & tribes were invited to serve Him.
Those who choose to align themselves with our Creator to do His will,

become 'the lost sheep of Israel' . . . formerly lost without God, now following Him closely.


They become the chosen people of God in the spiritual sense,

whether they have any Israelite blood in their ancestry, or not.


Those who choose to follow a wayward course don't count,

as they will not live in the paradise that will soon be restored.
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:49 PM
 
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They could just as easily been white and Celtic in appearance. It depends on where Abraham came from, from isn't that clear; he could have easily come for somewhere north , and not the 'Ur' to the east.


The settling of Galatia occurred before the eastern Turkish tribes took the region now known as Turkey, the 'Turks' in Abraham's day wouldn't have looked like modern Turks.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatians_(people)




Abraham's Ur
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Old 09-22-2018, 04:32 AM
 
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The nation of Israel had been adopted by God as his chosen people.
He sent his son first to help those chosen people.
He gave multiple prophesies about their coming Messiah, so they could recognize him right away.


However . . .

Instead of accepting & following their Messiah . . . their religious leaders set him up to be put to death.
A few days before it came to that, Jesus told those religious leaders what he & his Father thought of them in chapter 23 of the Bible book of Matthew.



In particular, notice verses 37 & 38 . . .



“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you.”



His Father had warned them that He would disown them if they rebelled against him again. They had become apostate before, & gone so far as to offer their own living children as live burnt offerings to pagan gods. . . . This time they had gone so far as to set up God's first-born son as a detestable criminal, to be whipped & then hung, nailed onto a stake, until dead. This was the 'straw that broke the camel's back!



The other times they had gone apostate, God had taken them back after they showed remorse & returned to His ways. This time there was to be no taking of them back, for this principle applied to them:


“If we practice sin willfully



after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,



there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.” (Hebrews 10:26)



After that, people of all nations, tongues, & tribes were invited to serve Him.
Those who choose to align themselves with our Creator to do His will,

become 'the lost sheep of Israel' . . . formerly lost without God, now following Him closely.


They become the chosen people of God in the spiritual sense,

whether they have any Israelite blood in their ancestry, or not.


Those who choose to follow a wayward course don't count,

as they will not live in the paradise that will soon be restored.
You are so wrong here...Where did Israel practice human sacrifice?...What prophets did they kill?...Where does it say that G-dcadopted Israel?...
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Old 09-22-2018, 04:35 AM
 
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They could just as easily been white and Celtic in appearance. It depends on where Abraham came from, from isn't that clear; he could have easily come for somewhere north , and not the 'Ur' to the east.


The settling of Galatia occurred before the eastern Turkish tribes took the region now known as Turkey, the 'Turks' in Abraham's day wouldn't have looked like modern Turks.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatians_(people)




Abraham's Ur
Was Abraham a Sumerian?
Abram (later called Abraham) is described in Genesis as a descendant of Shem, and born in the Sumerian city of Ur. Linguistically, the Sumerian language had no clear relationship to any other known language, but the Sumerian people gradually adopted the Akkadian language, which was Semitic. - https://www.weknowtheanswer.com/q/wa...rian-or-semite
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Old 09-22-2018, 06:45 AM
 
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You are so wrong here...Where did Israel practice human sacrifice?...What prophets did they kill?...Where does it say that G-dcadopted Israel?...
#1. if they practice human sacrifice or not, they Conspired in it. Jeremiah 19:5 "They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind"

#2. What prophets did they kill?... I'll give you one very popular "Jesus". and let get the scripture, Acts 3:13 "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:14 "But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Acts 3:15 "And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses".

many think that the Romans killed the Lord Jesus, nope, the Romans and the Jews Killed the Lord Jesus. it's called conspiracy when more than one is involved. the driver of the car is just as guilty as the bank robbers themselves.

#3. Where does it say that G-d adopted Israel?, it don't not Israel as a whole, but individually.
Romans 8:13 "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father".

the key words are is in verse 14 & 15, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God". are adopted.

do you know what the word adoption here means?

G5206 υἱοθεσία huiothesia (hwiy-yo-the-siy'-a) n.
1. the placing as a son.
2. (concretely) adoption.
3. (figuratively) Christian sonship in respect to God.
[from a presumed compound of G5207 and a derivative of G5087]
KJV: adoption (of children, of sons)
Root(s): G5207, G5087

that's why one must be, have to be "BORN" again. NATURAL BIRTH means nothing to God as in "HIS" sonship. that why the apostle Paul said in verse 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

understand, regeneration and adoption differ; adoption makes men the children of God, regeneration makes them appear to be so by giving them the nature of children, adoption is not a work of grace in us, but an act of grace without us.

PICYJAG.

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Old 09-22-2018, 07:41 AM
 
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Jesus Christ was 6'8" tall. He was drawn by Akiana Kramarik when she was eight years old called "Prince of Peace". To find out Akiana, search for her.
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Old 09-22-2018, 08:21 AM
 
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#1. if they practice human sacrifice or not, they Conspired in it. Jeremiah 19:5 "They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind"

#2. What prophets did they kill?... I'll give you one very popular "Jesus". and let get the scripture, Acts 3:13 "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:14 "But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Acts 3:15 "And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses".

many think that the Romans killed the Lord Jesus, nope, the Romans and the Jews Killed the Lord Jesus. it's called conspiracy when more than one is involved. the driver of the car is just as guilty as the bank robbers themselves.

#3. Where does it say that G-d adopted Israel?, it don't not Israel as a whole, but individually.
Romans 8:13 "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father".

the key words are is in verse 14 & 15, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God". are adopted.

do you know what the word adoption here means?

G5206 υἱοθεσία huiothesia (hwiy-yo-the-siy'-a) n.
1. the placing as a son.
2. (concretely) adoption.
3. (figuratively) Christian sonship in respect to God.
[from a presumed compound of G5207 and a derivative of G5087]
KJV: adoption (of children, of sons)
Root(s): G5207, G5087

that's why one must be, have to be "BORN" again. NATURAL BIRTH means nothing to God as in "HIS" sonship. that why the apostle Paul said in verse 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

understand, regeneration and adoption differ; adoption makes men the children of God, regeneration makes them appear to be so by giving them the nature of children, adoption is not a work of grace in us, but an act of grace without us.

PICYJAG.
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Old 09-22-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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don't roll... (smile) be happy ... you didn't know the difference did you? .....

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Old 09-22-2018, 03:22 PM
 
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Was Abraham a Sumerian?
Abram (later called Abraham) is described in Genesis as a descendant of Shem, and born in the Sumerian city of Ur. Linguistically, the Sumerian language had no clear relationship to any other known language, but the Sumerian people gradually adopted the Akkadian language, which was Semitic. - https://www.weknowtheanswer.com/q/wa...rian-or-semite

My second link raises issues I think make it less clear. Shem was from Noah's family line.
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Old 09-22-2018, 03:34 PM
 
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My second link raises issues I think make it less clear. Shem was from Noah's family line.
Shem was his son...
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