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Old 09-25-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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There sheer fact they wanted Jesus off the cross before the Sabbath (Feast of Unleavened Bread) began, shows they saw a new day starting at sunset.

No, this was because it was the law:


Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.



By the way "day" in that verse includes the evening.


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Acts 20:7 is pretty clear. Paul came after sunset, which is now the 1st day of the week and spoke with them until midnight, which would have been about 6hrs and is actually realistic. If a new day was at sunrise, that would mean Paul came at 6am and then spoke with the people for 15 hrs unitl midnight, which is completely unrealistic.

No it could mean that he broke bread before the evening or at evening or at night (it doesn't say) but what is clear is that it is dark or darkness is approaching due to the lamps being lit. Now the morrow is the next day in the verse. This is clear even from Matthew where same word is used to mention the morrow after the Preparation. If the morrow were still part of the same day as the night that preceeded it then in Matthew the morrow would still have been the Preparation but it wasn't.


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Neh 13:19
When evening shadows fell on the gates of Jerusalem before the Sabbath, I ordered the doors to be shut and not opened until the Sabbath was over. I stationed some of my own men at the gates so that no load could be brought in on the Sabbath day.


Another example showing the Sabbath began at sunset.


Now as far as the command to rest on the Sabbath, that can be up for debate on wether you are supposed to rest the entire 24hr period or just from sunrise to sunset, seeing people probably were asleep when its dark anyways.

I would say that Neh 13:19 defeats the idea of a sunset sabbath as it says that it evening shadows fell on the gates of Jerusalem, this would tell us that evening has come and therefore the Sabbath by those that believe the Sabbath begins when sunset begins.
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Old 09-25-2018, 04:20 PM
 
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No, this was because it was the law:


Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.



By the way "day" in that verse includes the evening.





No it could mean that he broke bread before the evening or at evening or at night (it doesn't say) but what is clear is that it is dark or darkness is approaching due to the lamps being lit. Now the morrow is the next day in the verse. This is clear even from Matthew where same word is used to mention the morrow after the Preparation. If the morrow were still part of the same day as the night that preceeded it then in Matthew the morrow would still have been the Preparation but it wasn't.





I would say that Neh 13:19 defeats the idea of a sunset sabbath as it says that it evening shadows fell on the gates of Jerusalem, this would tell us that evening has come and therefore the Sabbath by those that believe the Sabbath begins when sunset begins.
Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 21

23 But you shall not leave his body on the pole overnight. Rather, you shall bury him on that [same] day, for a hanging [human corpse] is a blasphemy of God, and you shall not defile your land, which the Lord, your God, is giving you as an inheritance.

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For a hanging [human corpse] is a blasphemy of God: Heb. קִלְלַת אלֹהִים. This is a degradation of the [Divine] King in Whose image Man is created, and the Israelites are God’s children. This is comparable to two identical twin brothers. One [of them] became king, while the other was arrested for robbery and hanged. Whoever saw him [the second brother, suspended on the gallows], would say,“The king is hanging!” [Therefore, the king ordered, and they removed him (Reggio ed.).] - [Sanh. 46b] Wherever [the term] קְלָלָה appears in Scripture, it means treating lightly (הָקֵל) and degrading. For example,“[And behold, you have with you Shimei the son of Gera…] and he cursed me with a severe curse (וְהוּא קִלְלַנִי קְלָלָה נִמְרֶצֶת)” (I Kings 2:8). - [See II Sam. 16:5-13]
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Old 09-29-2018, 12:08 PM
 
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No it doesn't, you are making things up and creating what fits you. Same thing people claim when they claim the Sabbaths has been changed, it is impossible for the Sabbath to be changed, it is the Sabbath.
Matthew 16:13-19 explains how the Sabbath could be moved with Authority. Read it over and over until you come to same conclusion that the universal church has always known for nearly 2000 years.
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Old 09-29-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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Matthew 16:13-19 explains how the Sabbath could be moved with Authority. Read it over and over until you come to same conclusion that the universal church has always known for nearly 2000 years.
Just because someone comes along and claims that the Sabbath day can be changed doesn’t make it so...G-d said it is a statute forever...
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Old 09-29-2018, 09:48 PM
 
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There is some great knowledge here about the dating of Jesus Resurrection. Let's look closely:


Jos 5:10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.
Jos 5:11 And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.
Jos 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.





Notice Israelites keep passover on the 14th. Next it says the morrow (next day) they eat the unleavened cakes and old corn (This is the Feast of Unleavened Bread - 15th). Now on the morrow (next day) after that the Manna Ceased which would be on a Friday (they were commanded to take in the Manna for 6 days). That tells you that the next day was the Sabbath day. Therefore, the Feast of Firstfruits would be on the Sunday following.
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:31 AM
 
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There is some great knowledge here about the dating of Jesus Resurrection. Let's look closely:


Jos 5:10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.
Jos 5:11 And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.
Jos 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.





Notice Israelites keep passover on the 14th. Next it says the morrow (next day) they eat the unleavened cakes and old corn (This is the Feast of Unleavened Bread - 15th). Now on the morrow (next day) after that the Manna Ceased which would be on a Friday (they were commanded to take in the Manna for 6 days). That tells you that the next day was the Sabbath day. Therefore, the Feast of Firstfruits would be on the Sunday following.
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:39 AM
 
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There is some great knowledge here about the dating of Jesus Resurrection. Let's look closely:


Jos 5:10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.
Jos 5:11 And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.
Jos 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.





Notice Israelites keep passover on the 14th. Next it says the morrow (next day) they eat the unleavened cakes and old corn (This is the Feast of Unleavened Bread - 15th). Now on the morrow (next day) after that the Manna Ceased which would be on a Friday (they were commanded to take in the Manna for 6 days). That tells you that the next day was the Sabbath day. Therefore, the Feast of Firstfruits would be on the Sunday following.
Yehoshua - Joshua - Chapter 5

10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and they made the Passover sacrifice on the fourteenth day of the month at evening in the plains of Jericho.

11 And they ate of the grain of the land on the morrow of the Passover, unleavened cakes and parched grain on this very day.

12 And the manna ceased on the morrow when they ate of the grain of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna anymore; and they ate of the produce of the land of Canaan that year.

How do you know when Nissan 14 was back then?...It could have been on a Monday or Tuesday...
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Old 09-30-2018, 09:55 AM
 
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Yehoshua - Joshua - Chapter 5

10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and they made the Passover sacrifice on the fourteenth day of the month at evening in the plains of Jericho.

11 And they ate of the grain of the land on the morrow of the Passover, unleavened cakes and parched grain on this very day.

12 And the manna ceased on the morrow when they ate of the grain of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna anymore; and they ate of the produce of the land of Canaan that year.

How do you know when Nissan 14 was back then?...It could have been on a Monday or Tuesday...

We can easily set the day of the week based on when the Manna ceased. They were commanded to take of the Manna for 6 days. Therefore, the Manna would have ceased on the Friday. So from there we can determine the days of the week. Those match the days of the passion week.
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Old 09-30-2018, 11:57 AM
 
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We can easily set the day of the week based on when the Manna ceased. They were commanded to take of the Manna for 6 days. Therefore, the Manna would have ceased on the Friday. So from there we can determine the days of the week. Those match the days of the passion week.
Seriously? The cessation of manna was in no way tied to the normal practice of falling Friday and skipping a day: the cessation could have been ANY day because the reason was that it was no longer needed from that point. You really need to learn how to actually think about what you are saying.
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Old 09-30-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Seriously? The cessation of manna was in no way tied to the normal practice of falling Friday and skipping a day: the cessation could have been ANY day because the reason was that it was no longer needed from that point. You really need to learn how to actually think about what you are saying.

I believe the cession was on Friday. Regardless, the events lead to the same order of days as if Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday and risen on a Sunday.
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