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Old 09-13-2018, 04:38 PM
 
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You do realize if Jesus canceled out the law, then there is nothing to define sin and we can pretty much do as we please, since sin is defined as transgression of the same law you claim was repleted.


There was no such thing as Christianity when Jesus walked the earth and Paul, as it was pretty much Messianic Jews during Paul's time, that al kept the Sabbath, Feast Days and Dietary Laws.

Jesus did away with the LETTER of the LAW. Sin is still transgression of the Law. But the Letter was to teach you of the LAW contained in the Spirit.


No there was no keeping of those carnal ordinance but for gain.


2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


And yes, there was Christianity before Jesus walked:


Gal_3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


All of the Law and the Prophets were concerning Him. That means those were all teachings of about Christ. Therefore, Christianity has existed from the beginning.


As was stated before, Jesus Christ made the Law and the Prophets replete:


Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (make replete)
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:47 PM
 
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You do realize if Jesus canceled out the law, then there is nothing to define sin and we can pretty much do as we please, since sin is defined as transgression of the same law you claim was repleted.

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You do realize that Jesus instituted a New Covenant based not on imperfect laws, but on the PRINCIPLE that should have animated ANY law? No? Look up the "New Commandment" which is only "New" in that it forms the basis for the covenant instead of Mosaic Law.
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:47 PM
 
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I also want to come back to this verse:


Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.



I only answered part of the verses that Hannibal mentioned previously. To understand how this verse exist and the verse concerning the abolishment of the ordinances is in how you understand the condemnation vs the redemption in Christ.


In other words those that live by the letter of the Law will be judged by it and those that live under Faith are not under the Letter.


For if you believe that to worship God that it requires the obedience to the letter of the law then the whole law you must keep otherwise your conscience shows you have chosen to transgress what you believe is God's commandment.
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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BTW, I don't attach Christianity to Judaism. I'm in the Christianity forum trying to reach out to those attempting to understand Christianity and to learn from those that have been given knowledge about Christ and His Teachings.
As long as itís in line with your knowledge, right?...
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:50 PM
 
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I believe that Jesus came preaching Christianity.



Jesus taught that He made the law replete. When you make some replete you completed it.


Mat 5:17 ThinkG3543 notG3361 thatG3754 I am comeG2064 to destroyG2647 theG3588 law,G3551 orG2228 theG3588 prophets:G4396 I am notG3756 comeG2064 to destroy,G2647 butG235 to fulfil.G4137



Strongs G4137 - to make replete.



Jesus was crucified by the Jews at the hands of the Romans.


He made the law replete and abolished the letter of the Law which led to death.


Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:


Hopefully we can get this thread back on the topic or something tell me why we need this discourse.
He didnít abolish the Law, Paul did that...
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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I also want to come back to this verse:


Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.



I only answered part of the verses that Hannibal mentioned previously. To understand how this verse exist and the verse concerning the abolishment of the ordinances is in how you understand the condemnation vs the redemption in Christ.


In other words those that live by the letter of the Law will be judged by it and those that live under Faith are not under the Letter.


For if you believe that to worship God that it requires the obedience to the letter of the law then the whole law you must keep otherwise your conscience shows you have chosen to transgress what you believe is God's commandment.
We Jews keep G-dís commandments...So, there ya go...
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:53 PM
 
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He didnít abolish the Law, Paul did that...
Neither of them did. Both show how the intent of Law is fulfilled.
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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HeWillCome2040,

re: "the Sabbath Day is only the period from sunrise to sunset."


Book, chapter and verse?
Itís all over the place, particularly in Genesis 1...
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:56 PM
 
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That is absurd, Jesus walked in all the Holy days, Jesus said himself,'' Do not think I come to abolish the laws of Moses, I DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH BUT TO FULFILL.''


Fulfilling the laws is KEEPING THE LAWS.


We don't have to wonder, Jesus explained and detailed the facts saying that WHOEVER wont keep the laws and THEN they go and teach others not to keep the laws will be the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven.'' Are you teaching people not to keep the laws and worship system of God and his son?


You don't believe Jesus? How in the world would somebody keep the laws of the Sabbaths when YOU have changed the Sabbath?


How are we supposed to believe or learn from somebody who doesn't believe Jesus himself?
Fulfilling the Laws is to explain it correctly...
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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You do realize that Jesus instituted a New Covenant based not on imperfect laws, but on the PRINCIPLE that should have animated ANY law? No? Look up the "New Commandment" which is only "New" in that it forms the basis for the covenant instead of Mosaic Law.

Yes, that is how I understand it as well.



The Law was provided to be a schoolmaster bringing people to Christ. Christ is Spirit of God manifested in the flesh of man.


Therefore the schoolmaster was an IMAGE of that which was Spiritual. But the Israelites instead worshipped the IMAGE instead of the Spirit of God.


We see that Jesus New Covenant was not New but in "newness" because the Israelites were worshipping the Image.


The Preaching to Love thy Neighbor was nothing new:


Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.


It was that the Israelites had lost this understanding because they applied the letter of the law.
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