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Old 09-11-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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A Day in the Bible started at the rising of the sun and contrary to what many believe as being at sunset.


The Day ended at sunset. However, a day would be numbered until the next day started again at the next rising of the sun.


Sabbath days were therefore only observed DURING the daylight period (the day) and didn't include the evening or night hours.
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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A Day in the Bible started at the rising of the sun and contrary to what many believe as being at sunset.


The Day ended at sunset. However, a day would be numbered until the next day started again at the next rising of the sun.


Sabbath days were therefore only observed DURING the daylight period (the day) and didn't include the evening or night hours.
Not according to the Jews.

1.)
Jewish Calendar Date
When G‑d created time, He first created night and then day. Therefore, a Jewish calendar date begins with the night beforehand. While a day in the secular calendar begins and ends at midnight, a Jewish day goes from nightfall to nightfall. Shabbat begins on Friday night, and a yahrtzeit lamp is kindled the evening before the yahrtzeit (anniversary of a person's passing), before nightfall. If the 10th of Iyar falls on a Wednesday, and a child is born Wednesday night after dark, the child's birthday is the 11th of Iyar.

https://www.chabad.org/library/artic...Jewish-Day.htm

2.)
When does the Jewish day begin?

Rabbi David Sperling
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Does the Jewish day begin at sunset or nightfall? For example does Sabbath begin at sunset or nightfall?

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Shalom,
Thank you for your question. The Jewish day starts at nightfall, and continues throughout the night and following day, until the next night. This is based on the first verses in the story of creation (in the book of Genesis), where it says "it was night, and it was day – day one [of creation]".
The status of the dusk – that is from when the sun sets below the horizon – until it is truly dark (usually measured by the appearance of three medium sized stars in the sky) is a question of debate amongst the early Rabbis. Today we treat this time period as a doubt, and as such we are strict to act as though it is both night and day, whichever side will be strict. For example, on Friday afternoon we start the Jewish Sabbath a few moments before sunset – and treat the dusk period as night, and therefore already Sabbath. But on Saturday night, we do not finish the Sabbath until three stars have appeared in the sky – and thus treat the dusk period as part of the day.
I hope this is of some help to you.
Blessings.

https://www.yeshiva.co/ask/?id=7469

And from the Bible itself;

3.)
Leviticus 23:32 It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.”
By our calendar a new day begins at midnight. By the Jewish calendar a new day begins at sunset. Don't waste your time even arguing about it.
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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Not according to the Jews.

1.)
Jewish Calendar Date
When G‑d created time, He first created night and then day. Therefore, a Jewish calendar date begins with the night beforehand. While a day in the secular calendar begins and ends at midnight, a Jewish day goes from nightfall to nightfall. Shabbat begins on Friday night, and a yahrtzeit lamp is kindled the evening before the yahrtzeit (anniversary of a person's passing), before nightfall. If the 10th of Iyar falls on a Wednesday, and a child is born Wednesday night after dark, the child's birthday is the 11th of Iyar.

https://www.chabad.org/library/artic...Jewish-Day.htm
2.)
When does the Jewish day begin?

Rabbi David Sperling
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Berachah again on the same grape juice
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Question:
Does the Jewish day begin at sunset or nightfall? For example does Sabbath begin at sunset or nightfall?

Answer:
Shalom,
Thank you for your question. The Jewish day starts at nightfall, and continues throughout the night and following day, until the next night. This is based on the first verses in the story of creation (in the book of Genesis), where it says "it was night, and it was day – day one [of creation]".
The status of the dusk – that is from when the sun sets below the horizon – until it is truly dark (usually measured by the appearance of three medium sized stars in the sky) is a question of debate amongst the early Rabbis. Today we treat this time period as a doubt, and as such we are strict to act as though it is both night and day, whichever side will be strict. For example, on Friday afternoon we start the Jewish Sabbath a few moments before sunset – and treat the dusk period as night, and therefore already Sabbath. But on Saturday night, we do not finish the Sabbath until three stars have appeared in the sky – and thus treat the dusk period as part of the day.
I hope this is of some help to you.
Blessings.

https://www.yeshiva.co/ask/?id=7469
And from the Bible itself;

3.)
Leviticus 23:32 It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.”
By our calendar a new day begins at midnight. By the Jewish calendar a new day begins at sunset. Don't waste your time even arguing about it.

I go by the Christian Bible and it shows that the day starts at sunrise.
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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I go by the Christian Bible and it shows that the day starts at sunrise.
You claimed that the Jewish Sabbath days were only observed DURING the daylight period (the day) and didn't include the evening or night hours. Leviticus 23:32 shows you to be wrong.

And by the way, the Christian Bible at the beginning of the Church-age was the Old Testament Bible (mainly the Septuagint). The New Testament hadn't been written yet.
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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You claimed that the Jewish Sabbath days were only observed DURING the daylight period (the day) and didn't include the evening or night hours. Leviticus 23:32 shows you to be wrong.

And by the way, the Christian Bible at the beginning of the Church-age was the Old Testament Bible (mainly the Septuagint). The New Testament hadn't been written yet.

Your right in the one instance Mike. But that is actually a High Sabbath and I'm more specifically referring to the other sabbaths.


Regarding the Septuagint being the source for the early Christian era, that is only speculated by scholars due to not having a Hebrew text to refer to. However, we know from Dead Sea Scrolls that a hebrew text (now extant) did exist. So it could be that the similarities that scholars find in the Septuagint could have been found in the Hebrew text. After all, the LXX was derived from those hebrew sources. ;-)
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:44 PM
 
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I go by the Christian Bible and it shows that the day starts at sunrise.
No it doesn't, you are making things up and creating what fits you. Same thing people claim when they claim the Sabbaths has been changed, it is impossible for the Sabbath to be changed, it is the Sabbath.
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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Your right in the one instance Mike. But that is actually a High Sabbath and I'm more specifically referring to the other sabbaths.
The weekly Saturday Sabbath was and is observed by the Jews from sundown to sundown. This has already been shown in the comment made by Rabbi David Sperling in post #2.


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Regarding the Septuagint being the source for the early Christian era, that is only speculated by scholars due to not having a Hebrew text to refer to. However, we know from Dead Sea Scrolls that a hebrew text (now extant) did exist. So it could be that the similarities that scholars find in the Septuagint could have been found in the Hebrew text. After all, the LXX was derived from those hebrew sources. ;-)
No, it is not speculation by scholars. The majority, though not all, of the NT quotes of the OT are taken from the Septuagint. The Hellenistic Jews for the most part couldn't read Hebrew which is why the Septuagint was necessary.
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:54 PM
 
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Peacegiver? Is this one new?
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:57 PM
 
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Peacegiver? Hmm almost a year here under this name. I haven't been paying attention.... for good reason.
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Old 09-11-2018, 03:03 PM
 
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No it doesn't, you are making things up and creating what fits you. Same thing people claim when they claim the Sabbaths has been changed, it is impossible for the Sabbath to be changed, it is the Sabbath.

Hannibal, refute me from the scriptures. Mike did a good job with quoting Leviticus and I gave him notice that he did so. Do you think I'm here to promote me or God? Show me the Truth, don't just say I'm wrong. I know the error of wanting to "be right".
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