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Old 09-19-2018, 12:59 AM
 
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Why didn't the verse say: "Be fertile and multiply?"
As YOU do not have to produce offspring to be fruitful.

"For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:46 AM
 
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In other words, the commandment to be fruitful and multiply was not a reference to anyone or anything other than the physical aspect in the beginning? What about being spiritually fruitful and multiplying the citizens of the Kingdom of God, when one follows the commandment to "go and make disciples of all nations?"
There are many other verses which speak about being spiritually fruitful, but the verse in Genesis needs to be read in context.
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

Any other thoughts?
I think the command is a lot more sensual than that.

Sometimes people tend to be so heavenly minded that they are no earthly good.

To be fruitful and to multiply means to marry and have children.

Why are simple words and meanings so often twisted and confused?

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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Old 09-19-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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I think the command is a lot more sensual than that.

Sometimes people tend to be so heavenly minded that they are no earthly good.

To be fruitful and to multiply means to marry and have children.

Why are simple words and meanings so often twisted and confused?

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Quality takes priority over quantity, which is seen in our disposition and attitudes.

Being fruitful is not about an outer appearance, or how many children you have.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:42 PM
 
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In other words, the commandment to be fruitful and multiply was not a reference to anyone or anything other than the physical aspect in the beginning? What about being spiritually fruitful and multiplying the citizens of the Kingdom of God, when one follows the commandment to "go and make disciples of all nations?"
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There are many other verses which speak about being spiritually fruitful, but the verse in Genesis needs to be read in context.
You can read it in context, but it must be understood as having a greater application.
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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You can read it in context, but it must be understood as having a greater application.
Context matters, that's all.

The context in Genesis 1 is what it is.
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:37 PM
 
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You can read it in context, but it must be understood as having a greater application.
Everyone understands revelation from their existing level of spiritual maturity, Jer. For many, the simplest context is sufficient. For others, a more expansive understanding of our spirituality is appropriate. I suspect the twain shall not meet.
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Old 09-19-2018, 08:47 PM
 
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You can read it in context, but it must be understood as having a greater application.
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Context matters, that's all.

The context in Genesis 1 is what it is.
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Everyone understands revelation from their existing level of spiritual maturity, Jer. For many, the simplest context is sufficient. For others, a more expansive understanding of our spirituality is appropriate. I suspect the twain shall not meet.
Those like Mr. Jarber take everything literally, which doesn't leave room for growth and maturity.
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Old 09-19-2018, 09:37 PM
 
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You cannot be fruitful and multiply, if you are not motivated by love.
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:47 AM
 
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Those like Mr. Jarber take everything literally, which doesn't leave room for growth and maturity.
Like I said the Bible teaches about spiritual fruits in many occasions, while Gen-1 is referring to the fruit of the womb. Feel free to disagree.

God said the same thing to Noah (twice) after the flood "be fruitful and increase in number". The reason is the same (and obvious).

Gen 9:1 “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands

Gen 9:7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it.


Your view of Genesis is interesting given the fact that you agree with the claim that the OT is nothing but scribblings of ignorant savages....?

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