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Old 09-19-2018, 01:27 PM
 
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Actually, this wasn't a new commandment. Jesus was just quoting the Torah.
Of cause, but that is what Jesus said. It is only new in the sense that he was making known what was always there but not seen by the many, because the image and concept the many held of God was a warlord tribal god always out to punish the sinner.
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:14 PM
 
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Of cause, but that is what Jesus said. It is only new in the sense that he was making known what was always there but not seen by the many, because the image and concept the many held of God was a warlord tribal god always out to punish the sinner.
Like Christians?...
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:15 PM
 
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Is every action of the general populace recorded? tell me how many people are stoned to death in populations where it is a mandated practice even today.

The fact that the only stoning and attempt to have someone stoned in Jewish culture are reported in the New Testament does not disprove the fact that it was a cultural norm.

As I said, a spurious attempt to justify a barbaric practice.
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:17 PM
 
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to reiterate a previous post: "To scotch the objection that it's not new, the "new" is that it is now the basis for the New Covenant instituted by Christ"

Peter mentioned the fact that the commandment in itself is not new. The point of the name is that it is the single "commandment" that is the "new" foundation of the "New Covenant" rather than the 10 which are the foundation of the Mosaic Covenant.
Where does it state that there will be a New Covenant in the Tanakh?...
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:54 PM
 
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Where does it state that there will be a New Covenant in the Tanakh?...
Tanakh says, I fail and will be replaced? No. Where you find the information is in reflecting on which is more basic and important, laws or the principle they should articulate.

Some people want to hang onto traditions and that's fine, but don't claim they are a requirement either for them or for anyone else.
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:58 PM
 
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Tanakh says, I fail and will be replaced? No. Where you find the information is in reflecting on which is more basic and important, laws or the principle they should articulate.
Some people want to hang onto traditions and that's fine, but don't claim they are a requirement either for them or for anyone else.
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:56 AM
 
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Tanakh says, I fail and will be replaced? No. Where you find the information is in reflecting on which is more basic and important, laws or the principle they should articulate.

Some people want to hang onto traditions and that's fine, but don't claim they are a requirement either for them or for anyone else.
Where does it prophecy a New Covenant?...
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:30 AM
 
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John 13:34-35 we are now to love neighbor 'more' than self.
We are to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
I am not saying I don't agree....but the word more is not in any verse, anywhere.
I think that should be clarified that this is your take.

Since this is how the game 'Gossip' is...add ons change one sentence, and then, more add
ons, until the last sentence resembles little of the original sentence, that's all.



Jesus said,'' ...as I have loved you...'', and this was before the Crucifixion.
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:49 AM
 
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In other words, the Law is used (by some within Christianity) to break people, like people break wild horses. It is intended to strip people of their freedom and make them fearful and dependent and get them to conform, to get them to obedeiently follow those in charge. Because people who have been broken can be controlled.
And, just as horses who have been broken, they’ll carry heavy loads for the ones who did the breaking; they’re useful. There’s nothing divine about such a plan. It wreaks of power hungry humans.
Omg, that was good.
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:59 AM
 
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Vf6...ok 5 pages later....what do you think is missing?




The Ten Commandments in Deuteronomy 5:1-22 - NKJV 5 And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them.
2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive. 4 The Lord talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire. 5 I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the Lord; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:
6 ‘I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
7 ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.
8 ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
9 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 10 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
11 ‘You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
12 ‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you.
13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

15 And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
16 ‘Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
17 ‘You shall not murder.
18 ‘You shall not commit adultery.
19 ‘You shall not steal.
20 ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
21 ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.’
22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more.
And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Then in Exodus...
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