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Old 09-23-2018, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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I think it seems that way because some people want/need to believe everyone serves the same God...different Gods have different tenants.
I'm not sure I understand your point. There is only One God. How does this excuse people constantly searching for sin in everything under the sun?
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:55 PM
 
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I'm not sure I understand your point. There is only One God. How does this excuse people constantly searching for sin in everything under the sun?
The Bible speaks of other Gods.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...-5&version=KJV

Different Gods have different expectations. Activities your God may consider harmless another person's God may consider detrimental.
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Old 09-23-2018, 07:15 PM
 
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The Bible speaks of other Gods.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...-5&version=KJV

Different Gods have different expectations. Activities your God may consider harmless another person's God may consider detrimental.
And other holy scriptures talk about many other gods. I can name at least four in the bible.
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Old 09-23-2018, 07:33 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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And other holy scriptures talk about many other gods. I can name at least four in the bible.

Several gods makes more sense to me than one. Imagine the bookkeeping! God-specialists, like professors in various disciplines, is easier to wrap my brain around than one dude/tte orchestrating the whole schlemozzle.
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Old 09-24-2018, 05:51 AM
 
Location: central Florida
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What's with this idea that churches sell pumpkins? I've never heard of a church selling pumpkins at Halloween.

The rest of your post is just gibberish, and frankly, bizarre. See the second bolded.

I certainly do not need spiritual advice from the likes of you. I don't think there is anyone who does, but of course you are free to keep shouting from your imaginary "choir loft", which, I have to say, is a bit creative. Remember, I spent much of my life working in New York City. You guys are on street corners and in subways all the time yelling REPENT!
If you'd gotten out of NYC once in a while you'd see truckloads of pumpkins being sold by the side of the road. Happens every fall. The world doesn't cease to exist beyond the bridges and tunnels.

You apparently wouldn't take advice from anyone, myself included.

My bolded statement is meant to create the image of a false offering which even the church would find disgusting. In point of fact, God isn't interested in offerings as much as He is interested in obedience. Church offerings are used to fatten the pockets of false shepherds, not to enrich the lives and hearts of those who go there. Such things are not taught in church. Mostly what you hear is an appeal for money, never repentance.

Repentance is not generally preached in church, which is why men of conscience feel it necessary to go to the street. Our churches have betrayed the gospel and your post is witness. You really don't give any legitimacy to any of it. This is not God's plan and desire, but people are so wrapped up in lies inside and outside the church they no longer care.

Which is why judgment comes upon persons and nations - and the church first of all.

The time to repent and surrender to God in the name of Christ is NOW.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....

PS
I holler from the choir loft because I was forbidden to preach in the Episcopal church. I was ordered to recant (refuse & deny) Christ as my lord and savior in order to receive holy ordination there. I was told that unless I denied the gospel insistence that one must be saved - I would not be allowed a position of leadership. Instead men who preyed upon children were ordained instead. THIS is the condition of the apostate church in America. Do you approve? I don't and I don't imagine you do either.
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Old 09-24-2018, 06:01 AM
 
Location: central Florida
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The themes of new life/returning light and rebirth are themes that anyone can appreciate, whether they are tied into a religious story or not.
The point is not celebration!!!

The point is what is remembered.

That which is of value has been forgotten and ignored in the mad rush to celebrate.

Christmas and Easter aren't about parties presents and whatever pagan ritual notices the sun has come out.

Christmas is a remembrance of the day when God entered the world.
Today it's been corrupted by parties, gift exchanges, and the insane commercialized desire to buy buy buy.

It's not about a theme!

It's about the man - JESUS. It's about the redemption of humankind and the birth of our redeemer. It's about a promise of eternal life - for some.

Easter isn't about candy and springtime.
It's about the resurrection of the Son of God from the tomb and about His promise to share His eternal life with those who humbly surrender to Him.

Anyone can appreciate a cheap present or candy. Its not about pagan holidays. It's all about God's gift of life to those who will accept it.

Those who do not surrender to God die the Second Death where there is no celebration of anything.

Remember something worth remembering - that God offers life to those who repent and are saved.

On the day after your party there will be nothing but litter on the floor.
On the day after Christmas and Easter God STILL offers mercy to those who will accept it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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Old 09-24-2018, 06:09 AM
 
Location: central Florida
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Several gods makes more sense to me than one. Imagine the bookkeeping! God-specialists, like professors in various disciplines, is easier to wrap my brain around than one dude/tte orchestrating the whole schlemozzle.
You don't have to wrap your brain around anything.

Jesus came to save the lost. That's all you need to know.

Believe and you'll be saved.

False gods and phoney religions are like sinking ships without life boats. Anyone who relies upon them will die.

Christ offers eternal life to those who humbly approach Him and ask.

Those who do not or refuse to do so perish.

It's pretty simple, really. Wrap your mind around that for a while.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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Old 09-24-2018, 06:16 AM
 
Location: central Florida
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The Bible speaks of other Gods.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...-5&version=KJV

Different Gods have different expectations. Activities your God may consider harmless another person's God may consider detrimental.
There is only one God.

There are no 'different gods'.

Lies abound. Anyone who lives in this modern age knows that lies multiply like rabbits. False religions and philosophies are the same because most of them tickle the ear and justify sin.

Nobody likes to be told they are a sinner deserving of the Second Death, though it may be true enough.

God came to earth as the man Jesus. He healed and taught many people about the kingdom of heaven and how God wanted us to live. He was betrayed by His own people and was publicly humiliated and executed but rose from the tomb to show us that HE did indeed have the power to grant eternal life to those who would accept Him.

No other philosophy or religion makes such a claim or can demonstrate the hand of God in such a powerful way.

Therefore it is wise to consider the words written in the Bible and to live by them.

Because the alternative is the Second Death - total and complete destruction without hope of remediation or parole.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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If you'd gotten out of NYC once in a while you'd see truckloads of pumpkins being sold by the side of the road. Happens every fall. The world doesn't cease to exist beyond the bridges and tunnels.
What???? Get out of NYC once in a while? I worked there for almost forty years. I got out of NYC every day because I didn't live there. See the "Coastal New Jersey" in the upper right hand corner of my post? We have farms and yes, pumpkins in New Jersey, where I have lived for all of my sixty years, dear. Right now I'm 500 miles from home and about to drive home through the countryside of the of New York and Pennsylvania, which--guess what--also have pumpkins. But you are claiming that CHURCHES are selling them, and I bet you the biggest pumpkin you can find that if I see any for sale along the way, it won't be churches selling them but rather farm stands.

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You apparently wouldn't take advice from anyone, myself included.
Sure I would and I have, if they were honest and I respected them and they had something of value to say. But when someone comes marching in, head high, swinging their arms, presenting themselves as superior and in possession of some special secret sauce knowledge about God and sneering down at others with the assumptions that they must not have a relationship of their own with God, I'm going to dismiss them and their message. If someone has the need to be as snotty and presumptuous as you are in the first paragraph of your quoted post above to peddle whatever it is you've got, I know right off the bat it's got nothing to do with God but a heck of a lot to do with the person and their ego. Quite simply, you are not in a position to tell anyone else they must repent.

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My bolded statement is meant to create the image of a false offering which even the church would find disgusting. In point of fact, God isn't interested in offerings as much as He is interested in obedience. Church offerings are used to fatten the pockets of false shepherds, not to enrich the lives and hearts of those who go there. Such things are not taught in church. Mostly what you hear is an appeal for money, never repentance.

Repentance is not generally preached in church, which is why men of conscience feel it necessary to go to the street. Our churches have betrayed the gospel and your post is witness. You really don't give any legitimacy to any of it. This is not God's plan and desire, but people are so wrapped up in lies inside and outside the church they no longer care.

Which is why judgment comes upon persons and nations - and the church first of all.

The time to repent and surrender to God in the name of Christ is NOW.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....

PS
I holler from the choir loft because I was forbidden to preach in the Episcopal church. I was ordered to recant (refuse & deny) Christ as my lord and savior in order to receive holy ordination there. I was told that unless I denied the gospel insistence that one must be saved - I would not be allowed a position of leadership. Instead men who preyed upon children were ordained instead. THIS is the condition of the apostate church in America. Do you approve? I don't and I don't imagine you do either.
Sorry, I don't believe you. I attend an Episcopal church and am friends with quite a few clergy, and I doubt that one of them would ever back up your claim. As a matter of fact, one of my fellow parishioners and the man who leads our centering prayer group is a former priest who formally renounced his vows six years ago because he doesn't believe in the Trinity. If he wasn't allowed to believe in Jesus, why would he have had to renounce? And thanks, but you didn't have to give me the definition of "recant". There's that superiority thing again. It's simply not nice, and treating people that way isn't going to make anyone want to listen to you, no matter how much you screech from the choir loft.

You so love to tell others what to do, but exactly how is that working out for you, Choir Loft? You know, one of the best sermons I ever heard was a priest saying, "Do you want to be like Christ? Can you walk on water? Heal the lame? Make the blind see? Turn water into wine? No, you can't. The only thing you can do to be more like Christ is to do what he did and humble yourself."

Here endeth the lesson.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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The point is not celebration!!!

The point is what is remembered.

That which is of value has been forgotten and ignored in the mad rush to celebrate.

Christmas and Easter aren't about parties presents and whatever pagan ritual notices the sun has come out.

Christmas is a remembrance of the day when God entered the world.
Today it's been corrupted by parties, gift exchanges, and the insane commercialized desire to buy buy buy.

It's not about a theme!

It's about the man - JESUS. It's about the redemption of humankind and the birth of our redeemer. It's about a promise of eternal life - for some.

Easter isn't about candy and springtime.
It's about the resurrection of the Son of God from the tomb and about His promise to share His eternal life with those who humbly surrender to Him.

Anyone can appreciate a cheap present or candy. Its not about pagan holidays. It's all about God's gift of life to those who will accept it.

Those who do not surrender to God die the Second Death where there is no celebration of anything.

Remember something worth remembering - that God offers life to those who repent and are saved.

On the day after your party there will be nothing but litter on the floor.
On the day after Christmas and Easter God STILL offers mercy to those who will accept it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
You make so many assumptions. Perhaps you need to look inward instead of everywhere else.
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