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Old 12-07-2018, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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Because THEY ARE claiming to be SPIRITUAL ISRAEL.
That is my point, Messiah brings a covenant for Judah and Ephraim, if the Gentile will not do what Israel must do, they are not spiritual Israel.

The point is being grafted and adopted into Israel, you don't remain Gentile, you convet to the worship system of God by accepting his Sabbaths and feasts and that is the only way to take hold of the covenant to gain an inheritance in Israel as Isaiah 56 and other scripture say.

Those first Gentiles did this and they became grafted through the void in the ten tribes of Ephraim, but that is no longer the case, and Gentiles have not become spiritual Israel for 2000 years. The Point of Revelation speaking about Gentiles claiming to be Jews who are not Jews is that Gentiles are claiming to be Israel when it is impossible without acceptjng God's worship system and rejecting all the pagan, and those are God's requirements concerning the return of Gentiles into Ephraim.

It doesn't mean they have to keep any of the feasts, it means they have to accept them, and they have to repent as Ephraim MUST repent of his paganism or a Gentile cannot become Israel.

These are God's requirements for Gentiles to obtain an inheritance in Israel, they are not my opinions, for a Gentile to reject the worship system of God is all fine, and Jesus said you could reject the entire law and still be saved, but not under the name of Israel......

The covenant Jesus brought to Ephraim and Judah is a very specific covenant that doesn't concern a Gentile and where we see Ephraim and Judah come into their inheritance, we also see the nations of saved Gentiles who are not under the New Covenant Jeremiah 31 shows us....

The whole world of Christianity believes they are under the specific covenant made for Ephraim and Judah and it is very sad that you can't even convince them of the facts of what the covenant says.
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Old 12-07-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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According to the good book, aren't we all Jewish since there are NO OTHER ancestors???
God's promise was through father Abraham that Messiah ( Jesus ) would come.
That is why at that time God only dealt with the natural ancient nation of ancient Israel.
We all come from one of Noah's three sons.

It is the Christian congregation that since Pentecost is ' spiritual Israel ', and Not any fleshy or natural or national Israel.
Jerusalem 'above' is now mother according to Galatians 4:26.
So, ' spiritual Israel ' is Not found located on any map.
It has No boundaries or borders because anyone, Jew or non-Jew, can become a Christian and become part of spiritual Israel. - Please see 1st Peter 2:9, 4.
Christendom (apostate Christianity) often wrongly looks to the fleshly nation of Israel on Earth as being spiritual Israel.
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Old 12-08-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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I donít think sex is the issue. The Bible is pretty pro-sex. Have you read Song of Solomon? If Iím not mistaken in traditional Jewish culture you canít study that book until after a certain age. Someone more knowledgeable, like Richard, please correct me if Iím wrong.

So again, I donít think sex itself is a problem rather its sex used in the wrong way. I think the issue here is how you view sin and what it means to you.


I think most people from every background or faith can all agree you shouldnít have sex carelessly.
FINALLY a voice of REASON! So glad to see rationale thought posted here.
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Old 12-08-2018, 07:30 AM
 
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No.
how can that not be? If we all are descendant from Adam, we are all of the same blood line...
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Old 12-08-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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Is Polygamy a Sinful Lifestyle?



Exodus 21:8 - Establishes rules for slaves who became wives. Note there is no mention of the man having to be single to marry a slave.
Exodus 21:10 - A man is not allowed to diminish food, clothing and marital rights, if he marries an additional wife.
Leviticus 20:14 - Prevents a man from marrying a woman and her mother at the same time. This rule would be irrelevant if polygamy was a sin.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - A man is to marry a virgin he had sex with, as long as the father did not refuse him. However, notice there is no mention on whether than man is single or not. If it was a sin to be a polygamist, there would have been a rule here saying if the man was already married, he would be punished or stoned.
Judges 8:30 - Gideon had "many wives". He was a man of God.
1 Samuel 1:2 & 13:14 - Elkanah has two wives. One of his wives, Hannah, gave birth to the prophet Samuel. Wouldn't he be an illegitimate child, if polygamy was a sin?
2 Samuel 12:7-8 - David was given his dead master's wives. Also God said he could have given him more than what he had. However, David chose to kill a man to steal his wife and that was where his sin was. God indirectly promotes polgamy in this passage.
1 Kings 11:1-3 & Deuteronomy 17:17 - Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines. However, it is made clear, his sin was marrying strange(foreign) wives and multiplying wives, not having more than one wife. His foreign wives ended up leading him to idolatry later on in his life. Adding more than one wife, such as his father, King David did was not a sin. And it should be clear, that Bathsheba was married and the sin was he was taking another's wife, not adding another wife, as is made clear by the prophet who rebukes him. However, multiplying or hording wives, as King Solomon did was a sin. Recently, I heard Hank Hanegraaff claim that "multiplying wives" refers to adding more than one wife, however, for him to conclude this, he would have to ignore all the scripture cited here. Generally speaking, I almost always agree with Hank on most anything he says, however, in this case, he is wrong. God is not double-minded, but single-minded. If he says you can have more than one wife in several Old Testament passages and then says you can not "multiply wives" as a king, it should be clear, that he is refering to hording wives, not adding another wife.
1 Kings 15:5 - King David married atleast seven wives, but it says David did what was right in the sight of the Lord. If polygamy was a sin, David would not be right in God's eyes.
1 Chronicles 2:46-48 - Caleb had two concubines. Yet, he was one of only two men allowed to enter the promised land! And, as you know, Moses was not even allowed to enter the promised land due to one sin!
2 Chronicles 24:3 - Joash had two wives that were chosen by Jehoida the priest!
Nehemiah 13:26 - Solomon is again shown to have sinned because he took foreign wives and multiplied wives, not because he had more than one wife.
Esther 2:2-4 - Esther was atleast the second wife of the King. God orchestrated the salvation of the Jews through her marriage to a polygamist.
Job 27:15 - Job mentions a man who's "wives shall not weep".
Song of Solomon 6:8 - The shulamite is praised by many queens and concubines of the king who loves her. If you add up all the queens and concubines, you discover that the shulamite who is courting with King Solomon here is the 141st wife of King Solomon. Remember, this is a story on how God desires us to be with our spouse.
Jeremiah 3:6-10 - God portrays himself as a polygamist with more than one wife.
Jeremiah 31:31-32 - Same thing again here. God with more than one wife.
Matthew 25:1-13 - Parable of the 10 virgins, where Jesus has himself as the groom marrying 5 of the 10 virgins, making himself a polygamist in the parable.
Romans 5:13 - If there is no law for something, it is not a sin. There is no law against polygamy, therefore, it is not a sin.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Mentions that adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God, yet in Hebrews 11, we see many polygamists listed who inherited the Kingdom of God. Therefore polygamy is not adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:2 - If you look at the greek behind this scripture, you will notice that the words used for "his own" and "her own" are not the same. The terms seem to allow for polygamy under close scrutiny.
1 Timothy 3:2 - Bishops / Deacons must be husband of one wife. At best or worst, this is saying certain leaders can not be polygamists. Perhaps doing the work of the church in some leadership roles require an amount of devotion to where polygamy is not compatible. Or, perhaps, it is not limiting to one wife, but rather saying that he has to atleast have one wife. Not sure which, however, might as well take the safe ground with the former viewpoint.
James 2:23 - Abraham was called a friend of God, but he was a polygamist.
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Old 12-08-2018, 10:37 AM
 
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how can that not be? If we all are descendant from Adam, we are all of the same blood line...
No, we are not.
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Old 12-08-2018, 04:13 PM
 
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No, we are not.
so god created other couples besides Adam and (st)eve?

Chapter and verse that describes the creation of other people...
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Old 12-09-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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Jacob and Esau were in the same womb and even they are not the same people, God hates Esau.
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Old 12-09-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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Jacob and Esau were in the same womb and even they are not the same people, God hates Esau.
Ahhh..I see it is the denial game...that is why god looks so very different in your mirror...and why sex is a dirty idea in the house...
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Old 12-09-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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Jacob and Esau were in the same womb and even they are not the same people, God hates Esau.
Where things get derailed is when Everyone thinks the scriptures are talking about history and not prophecy

And think that the things are about individuals and not nations
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