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Old 12-09-2018, 02:27 PM
 
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how can that not be? If we all are descendant from Adam, we are all of the same blood line...
Of course. There is no such thing as various races. There is only one human race. Jewishness is not a race, for instance anymore than American is a race. Israel today claims to be a Jewish nation which I personally find problematic because they want to separate themselves from others who are not of the same faith in the name of who or what I am not sure. I know of a number of atheist "Jews" who believe in Zionism. I find that rather astonishing.
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Old 12-09-2018, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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Where things get derailed is when Everyone thinks the scriptures are talking about history and not prophecy

And think that the things are about individuals and not nations
It is about individuals Meekat

The entire history isn't about Israel, it is about you. There has to be two kingdoms because you are two kingdoms, and those two kingdoms had to be opposites, and there had to be a city of peace between these two kingdoms because it is your soul between flesh and spirit.

There had to be 3 in the garden to show what you are, there had to be 3 sons to show what you are and everyone who was ever born was born to show you what you are and how humans evolved. All the stories are about you just like David said when he realized this,'' Behold, the volumne of the book, it is of me.

The greatest love song is about the marriage of flesh and spirit as if Solomon was singing to himself.

There had to be a temple with 3 main feasts and they had to be progressively different, and these had to concern 3 sections of the temple with a people divided by 3, where the land was divided by 3 all to show body, soul, and spirit.


The kingdom of heaven is Elijah Moses and Jesus and Jesus told us this, and so what do we see? We see a prophet, a priest and a king as Jesus came as a prophet for an exact amount of appointed days as walking as a prophet until he began walking as a priest that was coming to the day of his coronation on the day of coronation, he bcame a king walking a propgressive plan, and this plan concerns all humans, not just Jesus.

You are the temple, and because of this, everything is written about what you are.
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Old 12-09-2018, 03:21 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Of course. There is no such thing as various races. There is only one human race. Jewishness is not a race, for instance anymore than American is a race. Israel today claims to be a Jewish nation which I personally find problematic because they want to separate themselves from others who are not of the same faith in the name of who or what I am not sure. I know of a number of atheist "Jews" who believe in Zionism. I find that rather astonishing.
The great city is split in 3 ... I believe this is in part referring to Christianity, Islam, Jews fighting over a physical Jerusalem (land of Canaan) when the stories if the Old Testament were never about a physical history at all. The prophets were not giving history lessons or recording history.
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Old 12-09-2018, 03:42 PM
 
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On this or any other issue, are people following and emulating [i]Jesus [/I -- or Paul?
Most of the New Testament epistles that people are quoting were written by Paul, not Jesus, who was Jewish.
What did Jesus say about sex outside of marriage, not Paul?

So many things people say are sin, or sinful or shouldn't be done -- are manmade-up rules, rites and rituals that really don't have anything to do with following Jesus' example, and living a Christ-like life.

As a friend once asked me (when we were talking about another issue altogether, homosexuality) -- if Jesus thought it was SUCH a big deal as to be a sin and some big abomination, big enough to keep you from joining him and being one with the father......then don't you think he would have mentioned that while he was here on earth, walking among us, and speaking for him and the father?

Lord, knows (just a phrase) Jesus talked about the money changers, and it not being so easy for rich men to get into heaven, and the poor, etc.....you don't think he'd have had something to say about s-e-x?

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Old 12-09-2018, 07:28 PM
 
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On this or any other issue, are people following and emulating [i]Jesus [/I -- or Paul?
Most of the New Testament epistles that people are quoting were written by Paul, not Jesus, who was Jewish.
What did Jesus say about sex outside of marriage, not Paul?

So many things people say are sin, or sinful or shouldn't be done -- are manmade-up rules, rites and rituals that really don't have anything to do with following Jesus' example, and living a Christ-like life.

As a friend once asked me (when we were talking about another issue altogether, homosexuality) -- if Jesus thought it was SUCH a big deal as to be a sin and some big abomination, big enough to keep you from joining him and being one with the father......then don't you think he would have mentioned that while he was here on earth, walking among us, and speaking for him and the father?

Lord, knows (just a phrase) Jesus talked about the money changers, and it not being so easy for rich men to get into heaven, and the poor, etc.....you don't think he'd have had something to say about s-e-x?
Well, while not 'sex' per se, Jesus did mention that 'no fault' divorce is not a good idea. And, more on topic, remarriage is only permissible (according to Jesus) when one or other of the married partners dies thereby freeing up the remaining partner to, um, presumably, have sex with another who is single under the same conditions. But yes, one would think that if sex had been such an issue that Jesus would have spent more time on the subject. As for 'homosexuality' (no derail intended and we'll leave it at that but you did give it a mention), it seems not to have been on Jesus' radar at all.
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Old 12-10-2018, 12:18 AM
 
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The great city is split in 3 ... I believe this is in part referring to Christianity, Islam, Jews fighting over a physical Jerusalem (land of Canaan) when the stories if the Old Testament were never about a physical history at all. The prophets were not giving history lessons or recording history.
So then you are saying that Babylon can be construed to be earthly Jerusalem? It definitely is being fought over by Christians, Jews and Muslims. I guess I am at this point wondering if we are facing a nuclear exchange happening in the near future. I'd like to get that idea out of my mind, but it just won't go away. I am not ashamed to say that I find that to be a terrifying thought being that I am a mother of four and grandmother of two. I keep hoping God will stop that from happening and that Jesus will bring peace just in the nick of time.

The great city of Babylon split into three sections, and the cities of many nations fell into heaps of rubble. So God remembered all of Babylon's sins, and he made her drink the cup that was filled with the wine of his fierce wrath. - Revelation 16:19
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Old 12-10-2018, 12:50 AM
 
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Well, while not 'sex' per se, Jesus did mention that 'no fault' divorce is not a good idea. And, more on topic, remarriage is only permissible (according to Jesus) when one or other of the married partners dies thereby freeing up the remaining partner to, um, presumably, have sex with another who is single under the same conditions.
Can you give me those scripture locations?
Thanks.
I'm a PK and so torn I don't even know if I'm struggling with my own faith. That's how crazy my thinking is.
I'd just like to read them first hand.
Much appreciated.
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Old 12-10-2018, 11:52 AM
 
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So then you are saying that Babylon can be construed to be earthly Jerusalem? It definitely is being fought over by Christians, Jews and Muslims. I guess I am at this point wondering if we are facing a nuclear exchange happening in the near future. I'd like to get that idea out of my mind, but it just won't go away. I am not ashamed to say that I find that to be a terrifying thought being that I am a mother of four and grandmother of two. I keep hoping God will stop that from happening and that Jesus will bring peace just in the nick of time.

The great city of Babylon split into three sections, and the cities of many nations fell into heaps of rubble. So God remembered all of Babylon's sins, and he made her drink the cup that was filled with the wine of his fierce wrath. - Revelation 16:19
I think that what is happening with earthly Jerusalem is a by product of the 3 Abrahamic religions taking the prophetic things in scripture and making them into their history, their future, their kingdom.

People believe a lot of unbelievable things like an actual angel called Satan, the flood of Noah, the kingdom of David, Jonah swallowed by a whale, etc. What I am finding is that the sign, seasons, days and years of the kingdom of God and the kingdoms of the world are in the scriptures, and they have been made about literal, physical, individual things.

So with this thread ‘sex before marriage’, it is taking the prophetic things relating to the process of Adam/eve becoming the lamb/bride and making it about literal people (a man and a woman only) having to have a marriage ceremony before they are “allowed” to have sex. Everyone then focus on who is committing sin, and how they are committing it, whereas the scriptures are about the kingdom of God ruling the kingdoms of the world.

The law ‘love God and your neighbour as yourself’ is universal both individual and national.
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Old 12-10-2018, 04:51 PM
 
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Can you give me those scripture locations?...............................
I find Jesus did Not approve of fornication as found at Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9.
The reason Jesus used fornication is because fornication is more comprehensive in meaning than adultery.
Meaning that even having sex acts with an animal would be fornication, and thus scriptural grounds for divorce.
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Old 12-10-2018, 05:01 PM
 
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................Everyone then focus on who is committing sin, and how they are committing it, whereas the scriptures are about the kingdom of God ruling the kingdoms of the world.

The law ‘love God and your neighbour as yourself’ is universal both individual and national.
The ^ above^ ' law ' is universal, but for Christians Jesus gave a NEW law or commandment as found at John 13:34-35.
Christians are to now love God and neighbor ' more ' than self.
They are to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.

Scripture is about who is inside and who is outside according to 1st Corinthians 6:9-12.
So, those who practice 'fornication' (Greek porneia or porniea) will Not be part of God's kingdom government of Daniel 2:44.
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