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Old 10-08-2018, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Yeah Finn! Imagine the joy in the hearts of those money changers when Jesus trashed them with that whip! Songs of praise were ringing out I'm sure!
Seriously? Do you think Jesus got mad at them? Well, shame on Him....according to Finn and those who object to anyone being mad about how they pervert the message of God's love.
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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Yeah Finn! Imagine the joy in the hearts of those money changers when Jesus trashed them with that whip! Songs of praise were ringing out I'm sure!
Electron, would you like to answer the question that was put before Mr. Jarber?
He is having some difficulties when it comes to understanding various languages.
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:54 PM
 
Location: New England
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Where have I passed judgment? Check your mirror when you start spouting that sewer off.
Finn Jarber said the pharisees could not contain their hate, i told him why. He like you is clutching at straws trying to make out that Jesus went around with an offensive message. There is no offence or warning in the good news, the message is you are so loved of God and in knowing this you will no longer live the perishing illusional life of being alienated from God in your life.
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:06 PM
 
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Nice try. You said wherever. Show me the joy in that temple. By the way, those people were not what you call fundies. They were the prosperity snake oil salesman that you celebrate. It's part time, self absorbed charlatans that like to play fast and loose with the text in order to make it say what they want it to say. The message of salvation is in fact available to all, but not everyone will be saved.
1 Timothy 2:4
... who desires ALL people to be saved and come to full knowledge of [the] truth.

It's an active, ongoing result of a previous action.

And in the ongoing result of that action; desires (wants, wills) ALL men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. The action is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive, or that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subject’s response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that humanity might come to this salvation and knowledge.
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:09 PM
 
Location: New England
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Nice try. You said wherever. Show me the joy in that temple. By the way, those people were not what you call fundies. They were the prosperity snake oil salesman that you celebrate. It's part time, self absorbed charlatans that like to play fast and loose with the text in order to make it say what they want it to say. The message of salvation is in fact available to all, but not everyone will be saved.
One instance towards a group of religious hypocrites who misled a few dodgy second hand car salesmen, and you are trying to make out the message of good news is offensive?. Shame on you.
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:17 PM
 
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1 Timothy 2:4
... who desires ALL people to be saved and come to full knowledge of [the] truth.

It's an active, ongoing result of a previous action.

And in the ongoing result of that action; desires (wants, wills) ALL men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. The action is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive, or that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subject’s response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that humanity might come to this salvation and knowledge.
Ill tell you as I once told a friend. There is a difference between the twelve and ten scale.

Grrr...
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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The pharisees were not exactly bursting with joy either. On the contrary, they could not contain their hate, and in the end they had Him murdered.
And they used his blood to cover their sin.
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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And they used his blood to cover their sin.
Hehehe
How so?
Swing and miss at a 120 mph fast ball.
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:49 PM
 
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Jer, Pcamps, et al. Those who argue with you do NOT consider Jesus to be our Savior. They consider Him to be the messenger OFFERING salvation which is a very, very different thing. They also THINK that we must believe certain things ABOUT Jesus to save ourselves instead of just BELIEVING HIM and having faith that HE SAVED US which is a very, very different thing. I suspect that there can be no changing the minds of those who prefer the easy path of believing things ABOUT Jesus rather than BELIEVING HIM and following His instructions to love God and each other EVERY DAY and repent when they don't. It seems generations of accepting the primitive and barbaric fear-based "carnal milk" version of Christ's Gospel as a sign of faith in God (under threat of Hell) is very difficult to correct.
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:52 PM
 
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Hehehe
How so?
Swing and miss at a 120 mph fast ball.
I see people missing the mark every (day) week, when they continually confess their sins, over and over, again. Instead of taking responsibility for their own thoughts, deeds and actions; and changing things for the better.
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