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Old 10-03-2018, 05:06 PM
 
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See my full post here:

https://www.christianforums.com/thre...#post-73242795

Which begins with:

"Let's say a criminal whose punishment according to God's law of justice is to be stoned to death & he "shall not be pardoned" (i.e. "not be let off" the hook for this crime's punishment), so the people stone him to death. Just because the criminal was "not pardoned" (let off) from the due punishment of stoning and his crime was, in that sense, "unpardonable", that does not mean Love Omnipotent, i.e. God, ceased to love him or was incapable of - forgiving - the criminal for his - sin - postmortem if he confessed & repented."

and ends with:

"What is the consequence that will not be pardoned (or “let off”) for blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Could it be death, whether in “this age or in the age to come” (Mt.12:32), e.g. the millennium? Perhaps an imminent or immediate death, and or divinely sanctioned capital punishment. A death that ends their opportunity for salvation by grace in their mortal life & ships them off to corrective punishment, such as in a place the rich man (Luke 16:19-31) went to? For as long as it takes."
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Old 01-27-2019, 11:50 PM
 
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so, do you think you committed this sin?
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Old 01-28-2019, 03:21 AM
 
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so, do you think you committed this sin?
No, the question is, "what could the author of that passage have in mind?" It is a contradiction in terms.
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Old 01-28-2019, 11:09 PM
 
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Hi Clement of Alexandria,

I don't understand your question. Are you asking what happens to a person who blasphemes the Holy Spirit?

I don't think Jesus was speaking literally of a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. He was talking more about people who harden their hearts when their conscience tells them to do good things. Hitler is a good example. He started off killing a few Jews. His conscience must have pricked him but he ignored it. He continued to kill more people. His conscience again told him it was an evil act. But he ignored it and went on to kill 6 million Jews. A person who has rebelled against his conscience repeatedly is one who has 'blasphemed the Holy Spirit'. The function of the Holy Spirit is to tell us to do good things. When you rebel against that, you are effectively blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I suppose it is hard for one who has done that repeatedly (e.g. Hitler) from ever turning over a new leaf. But of course if he can, he should. But Jesus is talking about the hardened sinner who won't ever mend his evil ways.

Not sure if I have answered your question which I may have misunderstood in the first place.

Cheerio!
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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A person who has rebelled against his conscience repeatedly
is one who has 'blasphemed the Holy Spirit'.

The function of the Holy Spirit is to tell us to do good things.
When you rebel against that, you are effectively blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Well, I'll be darned....that is the first time anyone ever explained to me
what that means...I have asked before.
Thank you! And of course, that makes perfect sense!!!
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:56 AM
 
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What is the consequence that will not be pardoned (or “let off”)

The unpardonable sin has always been unbelief.........

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must BELIEVE that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:02 AM
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What is the consequence that will not be pardoned (or “let off”)

The unpardonable sin has always been unbelief.........

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must BELIEVE that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
That's simply silly.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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That's simply silly.
Since I do believe that God is love, for me the essence of that passage is the understanding that loving others is a reward in itself.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:42 AM
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Since I do believe that God is love, for me the essence of that passage is the understanding that loving others is a reward in itself.
The silly bit was that lack of belief is an unpardonable sin.

And I could have used much more colourful and accurate language....
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:50 AM
 
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The silly bit was that lack of belief is an unpardonable sin.

And I could have used much more colourful and accurate language....
Oh I know. I agree that it is silly. Just sharing my own thoughts on the passage.
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