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Old 10-16-2018, 04:59 PM
 
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I seem to recall he often followed up "it is written" with "but I say to you..."
Good point ^above^ because often Jesus does say, "I say to you...." or " truly, I say to you...." such as in John chapter 5,
but when Jesus said, "it is written..." that was a direct reference to the old Hebrew Scriptures.
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Old 10-16-2018, 05:11 PM
 
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Seems to me one might say Jesus was wedded to a book -> the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus often prefaced his statements with the words, "it is written...." meaning already written down in the old.
So, Jesus used logical reasoning on the 'old' in order to explain the 'old' to us.
What suited Jesus was his faith in his God's book - John 17:17 - that's what Jesus accepted as religious truth.
Jesus' faith teaches us that its God's Book (Bible) that suits God.
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I seem to recall he often followed up "it is written" with "but I say to you..."
Often times, he used what they had written to correct them and said they did not follow, even what they wrote.

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came (and Scripture cannot be set aside), what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:02 PM
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Why would I give up? I never accept what I cannot change.



My faith suits me. It suits God.

I am not wedded to a book written for men, by men. Funny thing neither was my mother nor grandmother.
I was referring to your Jedi mind tricks.
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:33 PM
 
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Seems to me one might say Jesus was wedded to a book -> the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus often prefaced his statements with the words, "it is written...." meaning already written down in the old.
So, Jesus used logical reasoning on the 'old' in order to explain the 'old' to us.
What suited Jesus was his faith in his God's book - John 17:17 - that's what Jesus accepted as religious truth.
Jesus' faith teaches us that its God's Book (Bible) that suits God.

You assume far too much.



Jesus knew nothing of the Bible. He was not Christian.

God's book is not the Bible, either.



The Bible is a book written by men for men, to keep people subdued for fear of punishment.



Jesus recognized this failure in his own faith and wanted to make a change. Men stopped him. Men murdered him. Men co-opted his message.



jimmie washes his hands in Jesus blood and claims he is cleansed. With all that sacrifice, jimmie continues to sin.



None of that suits God.
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:37 PM
 
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I was referring to your Jedi mind tricks.

Ahhh. Truth. Truth is the Jedi mind trick. Works for me.



I prefer truth to your alternate facts.
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Old 10-17-2018, 06:48 AM
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Ahhh. Truth. Truth is the Jedi mind trick. Works for me.



I prefer truth to your alternate facts.
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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Ahhh the sacred and time honored emoji throw down where we speak to each other in emoji. Gotcha, jimmie.


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Old 10-17-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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You assume far too much.
Jesus knew nothing of the Bible. He was not Christian.
God's book is not the Bible, either.
The Bible is a book written by men for men, to keep people subdued for fear of punishment.
Jesus recognized this failure in his own faith and wanted to make a change. Men stopped him. Men murdered him. Men co-opted his message.
jimmie washes his hands in Jesus blood and claims he is cleansed. With all that sacrifice, jimmie continues to sin.
None of that suits God.
Jesus knew and was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures - Luke 2:42
So, Jesus was very familiar with the old part of the Bible the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus believed what was written in the old Hebrew Scriptures is religious truth - John 17:17.
Jesus was the founder of Christianity. Christians are named after Christ Jesus.
Jesus did Not recognize failure but that the old Hebrew Scriptures led up to Messiah coming aka Jesus.
Jesus fulfilled the Constitution of the Mosaic Law and explained it for us - Romans 10:4.
Jesus died for our sins so that we can have a resurrection.
We can't resurrect oneself or another that is why we need someone who can resurrect us. Jesus can and will- Rev. 1:18
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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Either way, it's an idol.



The English word "idol" in translations of the Bible may represent any of several Hebrew words. In the commandment "You shall not make for yourselves an idol", the word is pesel, indicating something carved or hewn. In subsequent passages, pesel was applied to images of metal and wood, as well as those of stone. Other terms, such as nēsek and massēkā, massēbā, ōseb, and maskit also indicate a material or manner of manufacture.[13]
Some terms represent the consistently negative moral view with which idols are portrayed by the Bible.[14] For example, idols are referred to as "non-God,"[15] "things of naught,"[16] "vanity,"[17] "iniquity,"[18] "wind and confusion," [19] "the dead,"[20] "carcasses,"[21] and "a lie".[22] Other terms are deliberately contemptuous, such as elilim, "powerless ones", and gillulim, "pellets of dung".[23]



Cross without carcass on it becomes image of god. Manufactured image, a symbol.
An idol.
Well said!
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Old 10-17-2018, 03:38 PM
 
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Jesus knew and was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures - Luke 2:42
So, Jesus was very familiar with the old part of the Bible the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus believed what was written in the old Hebrew Scriptures is religious truth - John 17:17.
Jesus was the founder of Christianity. Christians are named after Christ Jesus.
Jesus did Not recognize failure but that the old Hebrew Scriptures led up to Messiah coming aka Jesus.
Jesus fulfilled the Constitution of the Mosaic Law and explained it for us - Romans 10:4.
Jesus died for our sins so that we can have a resurrection.
We can't resurrect oneself or another that is why we need someone who can resurrect us. Jesus can and will- Rev. 1:18

Jesus would have never approved of the Bible. The NT did not exist and the Bible OT is not Torah.

He did not create Christianity. You cannot use the Bible as proof Jesus would approve of the NT Bible he only knew Torah.

Jesus never called himself


Jesus was not the Messiah according to Torah. He did not fulfill the requirements. Since Jesus was a Jew, he knew the requirements of being a Messiah. Jesus never needed to be a Messiah. He wanted social change and care for women, children, and the sick. I am sure he was a gifted, extraordinary man.



There were quite a few men claiming to be the Messiah during the time of Jesus. Rome murdered every one of them, as they murdered Jesus.
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