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Old 10-14-2018, 11:23 AM
Status: "An English arse is stalking me." (set 7 hours ago)
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I do not like the cross anywhere.

It represents death, not life. If a loved one was shot, I would not wear a tiny gun around my neck.
You might if that gun saved your life.
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Old 10-14-2018, 11:27 AM
 
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You might if that gun saved your life.

No. I would not.



It would be rather creepy. I feel the say way about the cross.
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Old 10-14-2018, 11:45 AM
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No. I would not.



It would be rather creepy. I feel the say way about the cross.
Thatís likely because you see the cross as where a man died, rather than where God saved the world.
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Old 10-14-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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Thatís likely because you see the cross as where a man died, rather than where God saved the world.

A man died on the cross, screaming in agony after being tortured. He suffocated, and bled out. Death was not quick. It took hours.

That is what you needed to be saved?



You were once a violent man and you gave up that part. Why would you need a violent act to save you?
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Old 10-14-2018, 12:55 PM
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A man died on the cross, screaming in agony after being tortured. He suffocated, and bled out. Death was not quick. It took hours.

That is what you needed to be saved?
Yes.

Ephesians 1:7

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.

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You were once a violent man and you gave up that part.
Violent? No. You?

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Why would you need a violent act to save you?
It was Godís will.

Isaiah 53:10

It was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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Yes.

Ephesians 1:7

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.



Violent? No. You?



It was Godís will.

Isaiah 53:10

It was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
You and got questions
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:07 PM
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You and got questions

Saves having to think.
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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Yes.

Ephesians 1:7

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.



Violent? No. You?





It was God’s will.

Isaiah 53:10

It was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

So you may not be violent, however you need, and require violence to be saved? This means you live vicariously with the very violent nature you needed to be saved. How does that work?


I do not have a violent nature. I have never raised my hand in anger. However, I do have a healthy sense of self preservation. Very healthy.
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Old 10-14-2018, 02:33 PM
Status: "An English arse is stalking me." (set 7 hours ago)
 
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So you may not be violent, however you need, and require violence to be saved? This means you live vicariously with the very violent nature you needed to be saved. How does that work?


I do not have a violent nature. I have never raised my hand in anger. However, I do have a healthy sense of self preservation. Very healthy.
We all need the blood of Christ to be saved, even you. Hereís what the blood of Christ does for us.

1. It remits sins (Matt. 26:28).

2. It gives life to those who consume it (John 6:53).

3. It causes us to dwell in Christ and He in us (John 6:56).

4. It is the means by which Jesus purchased the church (Acts 20:28).

5. It is the means by which Jesus becomes our atonement through faith (Rom. 3:25).

6. It justifies us and saves us from wrath (Rom. 5:9).

7. It redeems us (Eph. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:18-19; Rev. 5:9).

8. It brings those who were far away from God near to Him (Eph. 2:13).

9. It grants us the forgiveness of sins (Col. 1:14).

10. It brings peace and reconciliation to God (Col. 1:20).
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Old 10-14-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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Jesus isn't on the cross anymore, so I don't like crucifixes showing him on the cross.
Exactly. Crucifixes are doctrinally inaccurate. Hence, not needed.
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