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Old 10-13-2018, 07:19 AM
 
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the epistle of james, one of the earliest new testament books that dates a couple of decades after the inception of the early christian movement, asks its audience to define what faith can be without works, or what works can be without faith

also, it is interesting to note that many of the things advocated in the epistle, bare many similarities to what jesus sermoned on the mount

Given the dillema* that james epistle created for its audience, how can the modern christian be desensitized to the poverty that is prevalent throughout the world.
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Old 10-13-2018, 07:33 AM
 
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:04 AM
 
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the epistle of james, one of the earliest new testament books that dates a couple of decades after the inception of the early christian movement, asks its audience to define what faith can be without works, or what works can be without faith

also, it is interesting to note that many of the things advocated in the epistle, bare many similarities to what jesus sermoned on the mount

Given the dillema* that james epistle created for its audience, how can the modern christian be desensitized to the poverty that is prevalent throughout the world.
We should help those in need. It's that simple.

That doesn't mean we should vote and take money away from other people to institute a government program to do it. It means that we, personally, should get involved.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:25 AM
 
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i wasnt referring to resource allocation or petty politics. afterall, it is easy to shame people who became underdeveloped from cuts to education and the subsequent loss that derived from decades of a decline of manual labor
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:31 AM
 
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We should help those in need. It's that simple.

That doesn't mean we should vote and take money away from other people to institute a government program to do it. It means that we, personally, should get involved.
But they are voting to take food, shelter, education, health cafe and other necessities from the poor all while voting
To take other people's money to fund war and tax breaks for the elite.
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:53 AM
 
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as a person who is spiritual as well as practically down to earth, i tend not to worry about things that may inevitably be. i had the same philosophy when i was employed. why worry about things that i cannot prevent, such as a market crash or some war. while it is considered practical blind ignorance, i tend not to worry especially as a single parentless indvidual


bible:

Matthew 6:27-34 (KJV)
27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

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Old 10-13-2018, 09:38 PM
 
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an old proverb, not from the bible book of Proverbs, "Charity begins at home and then spread abroad".

1 Timothy 5:8 "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

1 Corinthians 13:13 "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity".

now as for the the rich and the poor, there is a proverb concering both. Proverbs 22:2 "The rich and poor meet together: the LORD is the maker of them all".

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Old 10-14-2018, 07:53 AM
 
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the epistle of james, one of the earliest new testament books that dates a couple of decades after the inception of the early christian movement, asks its audience to define what faith can be without works, or what works can be without faith

also, it is interesting to note that many of the things advocated in the epistle, bare many similarities to what jesus sermoned on the mount

Given the dillema* that james epistle created for its audience, how can the modern christian be desensitized to the poverty that is prevalent throughout the world.

The first verse in the book tells all of us WHO it was written too.......


Greeting
1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,

To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion:

Greetings.

These were Jews UNDER THE LAW. We are under grace today.....
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Old 10-14-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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many theologions regard it as universal to christians

remember: jesus taught a samaritan and cured the children of gentiles and greeks.

though the epistle is written in its own unique language, it is interesting to note that it reiterates many of the teaching sermoned on the mount. the author may use his own writing style, but it is interesting to note that the teaching are quite similar to the sermon given on the mount.

remember: jesus converted a samaritan and cured the child of a greek woman and a roman soldier.

jesus said this:

John 4:20-24 (KJV)
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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Old 10-14-2018, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The first verse in the book tells all of us WHO it was written too.......


Greeting
1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,

To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion:

Greetings.

These were Jews UNDER THE LAW. We are under grace today.....
This may be the most egregious misrepresentation I have ever encountered. The clear fact is that James was addressing Jewish CHRISTIANS and not those who were not followers of Jesus. How blatant an excuse could you come up with to deny the efficacy of the gospel in transforming lives and the dedication to demonstrating the principle of love?
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