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Old 10-15-2018, 10:02 PM
 
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There have always been famines, plagues and earthquakes. And Kingdoms against other Kingdoms throughout man's history.
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But not as many, not as devastating as to the numbers killed and not as visible to everyone, which is what a prophetic sign includes.


The 20th century was the most murderous in recorded history. The total number of deaths caused by or associated with its wars has been estimated at 187m, the equivalent of more than 10% of the world's population in 1913. Taken as having begun in 1914, it was a century of almost unbroken war, with few and brief periods without organised armed conflict somewhere. It was dominated by world wars: that is to say, by wars between territorial states or alliances of states.



https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ighereducation

You are assuming we have more alive today, than have died throughout history.
And the same would hold true, when you assume there are more earthquakes today.

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Old 10-15-2018, 10:20 PM
 
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With regard to your comment concerning earthquakes, the USGS says,
''ComCat earthquake catalog contains an increasing number of earthquakes in recent years not because there are more earthquakes, but because there are more seismic instruments and they are able to record more earthquakes.''

https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/why-are-we...ience_products
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Meaningless, as people now see more earthquakes.


Plus from your link:


"According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 16 major earthquakes in any given year, which includes 15 earthquakes in the magnitude 7 range and one earthquake magnitude 8.0 or greater. In the past 44 years, from 1973 through 2017, our records show that we have exceeded the long-term average number of major earthquakes only 11 times, in 1976, 1990, 1995, 1999, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2015, and 2016.

A sign is what is visible, not simply the numbers and the link was speaking of increases in size, not frequency.


You might find this interesting as it is not just speaking of the size but the number and why and human activity is one reason, plus global changes and all occurring in the last 100 years or so.
The comment from the USGS was not referring only to an increase in size, but to the number or frequency of earthquakes. Again,
''ComCat earthquake catalog contains an increasing number of earthquakes in recent years not because there are more earthquakes, but because there are more seismic instruments and they are able to record more earthquakes''.
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/why-are-we...ience_products
Now, as to the signs of which Jesus spoke in Matthew chapter 24, while there have always been wars and rumors of wars, and earthquakes and famines, Jesus was referring specifically to the famines and earthquakes, and wars that will be taking place during the still future Tribulational period. Those signs will precede his return at the end of the Tribulation. The age in which we live, the Church age, is not directly addressed in Matthew chapter 24. To put it another way, the signs of which Jesus spoke were not signs that the Tribulation is near, but are signs during the Tribulation which will indicate that Jesus' return at the end of the Tribulation is near at hand.

When the disciples asked Jesus what the sign of his coming would be, and of the end of the age (Matthew 24:3) they weren't asking about the end of the Church-age which they weren't even in at that point, and probably didn't even have a clear understanding of. The Church-age was still future at that point. They were asking about the end of their own age, the age of Israel. The still future Tribulation which is Daniel's 70th week will be the end of the age of Israel and will precede the return of Jesus. The age of Israel was interrupted and put on hold for the Church-age which is an intercalation. Once the Church has been raptured, the last remaining seven years of the age of Israel, which is the Tribulation, will resume. The signs of which Jesus spoke, the wars, famines, earthquakes all are part of the judgments of the Tribulation - the seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments.

All talk about wars, earthquakes, famines, etc. that are taking place during the Church-age being signs of the end times is not even valid. The signs being referred to are signs during the still future Tribulational period which will indicate that Jesus is about to return, at which time the Milllennial kingdom will be set up on the earth.

Of course, if you don't hold to the pre-tribulational, pre-millennial dispensational view then you won't agree with the above comments. I do hold to that view.
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Old 10-16-2018, 09:46 AM
 
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They are also ignoring Rev 11:18 which has never before been possible and is happening now. Man is ruining the earth.


KJV Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


The word "destroy" in Greek:


01372 d(1) spoil, ruin, destroy utterly (RV 8.9); of a moth in clothes eat, consume (LU 12.33); pass. of pers. waste away, become weak (2C 4.16); (2) morally, corrupt, lead astray, ruin; pass. be depraved (1T 6.5).



Just read the news.
The UN just published a report stating the Earth will be unrecognizable in 2040 due to rising temperatures. They've stated on many occasions as well we are undergoing a mass extinction right now..80% of Earth's species have or are going extinct from the past 50 years. This is man's doing. Personally, only an intervention fixes this. God stops the destroyers of the Earth...He has plans for the planet and is not going to let the devil (current world power structure/Babylon) destroy it.
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Old 10-16-2018, 09:50 AM
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The UN just published a report stating the Earth will be unrecognizable in 2040 due to rising temperatures. They've stated on many occasions as well we are undergoing a mass extinction right now..80% of Earth's species have or are going extinct from the past 50 years. This is man's doing. Personally, only an intervention fixes this. God stops the destroyers of the Earth...He has plans for the planet and is not going to let the devil (current world power structure/Babylon) destroy it.

Kewl. If still lugging around this collection of molecules, I'll be 89 in 2040.


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Old 10-16-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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Kewl. If still lugging around this collection of molecules, I'll be 89 in 2040.

Change your cabin in the woods for a houseboat.
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Old 10-16-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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For a pretty simple reason. Those who point at every thunderstorm and say, "There it is! It's on us!" undermine the credibility of those who simply try to express the good news of Christ.



The other aspect of it? Awaiting the Second Coming and the Tribulations with bated breath is beside the point. It speaks to a worldview that is heavy on God's judgment and damnation and light on God's grace. As in, "Behave yourselves because God is now coming." Yet, that's not why we should follow Christ. We shouldn't be following him out of fear of punishment. We should follow him out of simple devotion to who He is and what He means to a troubled world.



God says "Do not be afraid" far more times than he says, "Vengeance is mine." I think that's the message we really should be taking to heart.
Well, when he says 'Do not be afraid'...that is directed at people of faith, those who truly have accepted God and try to follow his laws...

For everyone else though, we probably should be afraid when these times come.
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:01 AM
 
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The UN just published a report stating the Earth will be unrecognizable in 2040 due to rising temperatures. They've stated on many occasions as well we are undergoing a mass extinction right now..80% of Earth's species have or are going extinct from the past 50 years. This is man's doing. Personally, only an intervention fixes this. God stops the destroyers of the Earth...He has plans for the planet and is not going to let the devil (current world power structure/Babylon) destroy it.
GREED is responsible for all of this...

Even if every scientist on the planet agreed that man made climate change was real and things like internal combustion engines were causing the problem, we live in a society that needs to have large industries, like the auto industry, they employ 100s of 1000s of people, if laws were made that suddenly restricted how many cars could be made or sold, that would have a negative impact on the industry, as well as the oil and gas industry and many other industries that rely on those industries.

There are alternatives for power and energy needs, but those are suppressed and classified, because they would be a threat to the larger existing energy industries, so its greed, plain and simple.
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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Change your cabin in the woods for a houseboat.
And he won't have far to go for good fishing.
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:04 AM
 
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Change your cabin in the woods for a houseboat.
Yes, if the cabin is within 100 miles of the coast line convert it to a houseboat. I know, big joke now until you see dead fish and red tide all over the world if the temp keeps going up. It's coming...just like birth pangs too.. major events increasing in frequency. We see these almost monthly now. You have to be in denial to say nothing is going on with the weather.
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:07 AM
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Change your cabin in the woods for a houseboat.
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And he won't have far to go for good fishing.

Don't have far to go now. This is my front yard.





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