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Old 10-15-2018, 11:31 AM
 
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So. On Facebook this morning. Acquaintance mentions hurricane Michael in Florida and a 7.2 earthquake in New Guinea happening in the same week. To her, that's a sign that the Apocalypse is at hand.

So I did what any rational, even marginally curious person would do. I looked up on the USGS earthquake database and found -- lo and behold -- that earthquakes of that magnitude are pretty much a monthly occurrence somewhere in the world. And hurricanes, of course, make landfall like clockwork every summer and fall in the Western Hemisphere.

And yet, despite the absolute frequency of these events since time immemorial, every hurricane, earthquake, volcano eruption, tsunami, F5 twister, and landslide is seen as an omen of the impending End of Days. I mean, one loopy person referred to separate hailstorms that hit a Colorado zoo and a French vineyard as proof. Outside of some birds at the zoo and some grapevines, nobody died on those. Yet, that's a sign that a wrathful God is about to wreak vengeance on a sinful humanity.

But if you look backwards in history, we've seen much worse. World War II. The Spanish Influenza. Heck, the Black Plague killed off 25-33% of humanity. 850,000 people died in a 1556 earthquake in China. The list goes on and on. Europe imploded after the Roman Empire collapsed. In other words, we've seen far worse.

So here's my question. What weird psychology is at work with you people, that every disaster is a sign that the Apocalypse is coming?
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Old 10-15-2018, 01:04 PM
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If fundies cling to the belief their god-thing is going to destroy the Earth any day now, it relieves them of the burden of actually having to live productive, useful lives as good stewards of the planet.


They are lazy, as well as ignorant.
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Old 10-15-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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So. On Facebook this morning. Acquaintance mentions hurricane Michael in Florida and a 7.2 earthquake in New Guinea happening in the same week. To her, that's a sign that the Apocalypse is at hand.

So I did what any rational, even marginally curious person would do. I looked up on the USGS earthquake database and found -- lo and behold -- that earthquakes of that magnitude are pretty much a monthly occurrence somewhere in the world. And hurricanes, of course, make landfall like clockwork every summer and fall in the Western Hemisphere.

And yet, despite the absolute frequency of these events since time immemorial, every hurricane, earthquake, volcano eruption, tsunami, F5 twister, and landslide is seen as an omen of the impending End of Days. I mean, one loopy person referred to separate hailstorms that hit a Colorado zoo and a French vineyard as proof. Outside of some birds at the zoo and some grapevines, nobody died on those. Yet, that's a sign that a wrathful God is about to wreak vengeance on a sinful humanity.

But if you look backwards in history, we've seen much worse. World War II. The Spanish Influenza. Heck, the Black Plague killed off 25-33% of humanity. 850,000 people died in a 1556 earthquake in China. The list goes on and on. Europe imploded after the Roman Empire collapsed. In other words, we've seen far worse.

So here's my question. What weird psychology is at work with you people, that every disaster is a sign that the Apocalypse is coming?
Nothing weird. There have been more earthquakes in the last 100 years than in all recorded history.


Over 200 wars since WWII


1/5 the population of the world is in hunger


KJV Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.


This is the only time in history man has been able to damage the whole earth.


KJV Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


Only the blind cannot see it.
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Old 10-15-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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Nothing weird. There have been more earthquakes in the last 100 years than in all recorded history.


Over 200 wars since WWII


1/5 the population of the world is in hunger


KJV Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.


This is the only time in history man has been able to damage the whole earth.


KJV Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


Only the blind cannot see it.
With regard to your comment concerning earthquakes, the USGS says,
''ComCat earthquake catalog contains an increasing number of earthquakes in recent years not because there are more earthquakes, but because there are more seismic instruments and they are able to record more earthquakes.''

https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/why-are-we...ience_products
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Old 10-15-2018, 02:56 PM
 
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Nothing weird. There have been more earthquakes in the last 100 years than in all recorded history.


Over 200 wars since WWII


1/5 the population of the world is in hunger


KJV Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.


This is the only time in history man has been able to damage the whole earth.


KJV Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


Only the blind cannot see it.
There have always been famines, plagues and earthquakes. And Kingdoms against other Kingdoms throughout man's history.
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Old 10-15-2018, 03:03 PM
 
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Nothing weird. There have been more earthquakes in the last 100 years than in all recorded history.


Over 200 wars since WWII


1/5 the population of the world is in hunger


KJV Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.


This is the only time in history man has been able to damage the whole earth.


KJV Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


Only the blind cannot see it.

Actually, I don't think I'm the one who is blind here. We live in a time of unmatched prosperity and peace, a trend that seems to be accelerating. Comparatively speaking, it's certainly more peaceful, law-abiding and prosperous compared to the time when Saint John the Divine lived in exile on Patmos with his apocalyptic visions.

So let's take your examples point by point.

How in the Sam Hill do you know there have been more earthquakes in the past 100 years than in all of recorded history? More than a century ago, large parts of the world were either underpopulated or did not have the reporting mechanisms or journalists to note when earthquakes happened. The reason we hear about more earthquakes today is because there are far more seismic instruments that are also far better at detecting tremors.

There were 113 armed conflicts in Europe alone between 1900 and 1939. That doesn't even count Asia, Africa, the Middle East, or Latin America. If anything, the world has become a far, far safer and more peaceful place. The world is actually safer than ever. And here's the data to prove that | Jefferson Public Radio

As far as the world population in hunger statistic is concerned, we are actually in a period of unprecedented prosperity. According to the World Bank, the global poverty rate has plunged to 10%, compared to 36% in 1990.


So, no. I realize that if you're a hammer, everything in the world looks like a nail, but nothing you say is borne out in fact.
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Old 10-15-2018, 03:16 PM
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Actually, I don't think I'm the one who is blind here. We live in a time of unmatched prosperity and peace, a trend that seems to be accelerating. Comparatively speaking, it's certainly more peaceful, law-abiding and prosperous compared to the time when Saint John the Divine lived in exile on Patmos with his apocalyptic visions.

So let's take your examples point by point.

How in the Sam Hill do you know there have been more earthquakes in the past 100 years than in all of recorded history? More than a century ago, large parts of the world were either underpopulated or did not have the reporting mechanisms or journalists to note when earthquakes happened. The reason we hear about more earthquakes today is because there are far more seismic instruments that are also far better at detecting tremors.

There were 113 armed conflicts in Europe alone between 1900 and 1939. That doesn't even count Asia, Africa, the Middle East, or Latin America. If anything, the world has become a far, far safer and more peaceful place. The world is actually safer than ever. And here's the data to prove that | Jefferson Public Radio

As far as the world population in hunger statistic is concerned, we are actually in a period of unprecedented prosperity. According to the World Bank, the global poverty rate has plunged to 10%, compared to 36% in 1990.


So, no. I realize that if you're a hammer, everything in the world looks like a nail, but nothing you say is borne out in fact.
Good post. Too soon.

However, JWs and other end-times sects are not in the least interested in facts, as long as they have their "holy" book and those 7 old dudes in NY who keep changing their predictions.
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Old 10-15-2018, 04:46 PM
 
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Oh, look. Another one.



Hurricane Michael, now dead fish - Judgement from Michael the Prince of God's Angels?
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Old 10-15-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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"you people"?


Look, here's the thing. Truly, they have been waiting for the 2nd coming and, accordingly, relocation to a much better free real estate plus all the amenities, for over 2000 years. That's a LONG wait and there apparently is not signs showing that it's coming any time soon. Next Monday, 6:45 am. Boom, all go to heaven.
Why exactly are you surprised then, that they, sort of, anxiously await it? I mean, I get it, entire promise is based on obey and be a slave in your life, you'll get your rewards later. But life is short, faith is not that strong, death is coming fast and furious - and where's the promised?
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Old 10-15-2018, 05:03 PM
 
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GINOLJC, to all.

the beginning of sorrows FIRST.

Matthew 24:3 "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matthew 24:4 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matthew 24:5 "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:6 "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matthew 24:7 "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matthew 24:8 "All these are the beginning of sorrows.: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake".

The Coming of Christ./

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:31 "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other".

PICYJAG.
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