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Old 10-22-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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As a pacifist, if, assuming that you're married, your wife was about to be killed by an attacker, and you could save her, but only by killing her attacker, would you kill him or would you let him kill your wife to maintain your pacifism?
S T R A W L I E fallacy.

 
Old 10-22-2018, 04:37 PM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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As a pacifist, if, assuming that you're married, your wife was about to be killed by an attacker, and you could save her, but only by killing her attacker, would you kill him or would you let him kill your wife to maintain your pacifism?
if I was there he would not have to worry...as a pacifist, I am always looking for an excuse to blast their other cheek...
 
Old 10-22-2018, 04:59 PM
 
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there are communities throughout america that consist of these great faith and non-faith sects: jews, muslims, humanist, atheist, secularist, christians, buddhist.

i have read countless stories of communities who work for the common good to assure dignity.

these communities work to assure dignity, to quell divisions and to help those who experience weather related hardship

interfaith communities are an interesting mix of atheist , liberals, conservatives, Christians, secularists and other faiths that work together for the common good, bringing a unique peace to cities and counties through out America and abroad

they even advocate good practices such as pacifism

as a pacifist, i think it is good that interfaith communities, which include atheist and conservative opinion, advocate pacifism throughout America

what is your opinion?

Mark 12:31 (KJV) And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
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As a pacifist, if, assuming that you're married, your wife was about to be killed by an attacker, and you could save her, but only by killing her attacker, would you kill him or would you let him kill your wife to maintain your pacifism?
Most would lay their life down for a loved one and some of us would stand our ground, even if the odds were against us.


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Old 10-22-2018, 05:50 PM
 
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I definitely agree that it's a good thing for various faiths to work together to serve the needs of their communities. I know that there is an interfaith council in Salt Lake City that is made up of individuals from pretty much every faith group imaginable (except for Jehovah's Witnesses, who apparently are opposed to such things). They do a great deal of good in bringing people together, stressing the things we all have in common, celebrating our diversity and learning to respect one another. That said, however, I am not in favor of ecumenism between the various Christian denominations. I don't like the idea of being asked to compromise any of my beliefs and I don't expect anyone else to compromise theirs, either. That doesn't mean we can't all be unified in accomplishing a lot of very worthwhile things.

i am not in favor of imposing my beliefs on anothers faith because that would signify that my advocation of interfaith was indeed a lie. as sermoned on the mount, i do not judge or condemn others. i do believe, however, that faith and secular communities can join together as interfaith advocates to ensure, protect and promote the better good . i dont wish to merge beliefs. i do, however, think it is good to merge ideas to advocate for the good of humanity.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 06:01 PM
 
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As a pacifist, if, assuming that you're married, your wife was about to be killed by an attacker, and you could save her, but only by killing her attacker, would you kill him or would you let him kill your wife to maintain your pacifism?
i am a civil person who follows the social norms; therefore, i would not take justice into my own hands.

i would never harm or become violent. i cannot think of a scenario that would trigger a violent reaction from me. i dont believe in violence. law enforcement exists to protect citizens. i would never kill another human being. i would never hit another human being. i dont believe violence can solve solutions. i am a civil pacifist who follows the social norms. i would never under any circumstance harm another human being. in my opinion,violence is ignorant, futile and worthless. i believe in the contrary---non-violent pacifism

i dont believe in vigilantism. i dont believe in violence. i dont believe in fighting. i do, however, believe that law enforcement exists to protect the citizenry. i do not agree with your advocation of vigilantism. i adhere to pacifism which means non-violence. i dont follow your philosophy that condones breaking the law.


i am happy. i do not believe in violence. if i had a problem, i would inform law enforcement. i would never, under any circumstance, take justice into my own hands. i do not believe in breaking the law nor do i believe in vigilantism

i am happy and content as a pacifist. i do not share your philosophy. violence is the epitome of ignorance and stupidity.

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Old 10-22-2018, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Obviously, no single individual can be forced to compromise when it comes to individual beliefs, nor should they have to. Just to make my position clear (if maybe it wasn't), I don't like the idea of churches as institutions working towards unity by saying, "Okay, well let's see if we can all compromise to come up with a single theology we can all live with." I do like the idea of all religions working together for the common good of mankind and learning about the others' beliefs. I don't feel that we can ever come to respect each other without putting forth an effort to understand one another, and I don't think that differences in theology should keep us from having close relationships -- either one-on-one or between different religious groups as a whole.
I don't think we ever have to worry about THAT happening.

But, it's easy to see how we divide ourselves even when we are trying to not divide ourselves.

As some of you who keep track of such things know, the Episcopal Church and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America became "in communion" with each other almost 20 years ago. Lutheran and Episcopal clergy can preside over the other church's services and celebrate communion interchangeably. It's termed "Called to Common Mission", but it is not a merger. Sounds nice.

However, a woman I know who is a retired archdeacon told me last year that she was upset because when the agreement was made, the Lutheran church declined to recognize the ordination of the Episcopal diaconate. Deacons in the Lutheran church are not ordained as they are in the Episcopal church. While this seems to be a an angels-dancing-on-pinheads issue to most people, it stuck in her craw that she was not recognized as ordained clergy by the ELCA.
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Old 10-22-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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i am a civil person who follows the social norms; therefore, i wouldnt take justice in my own hands.

i would never harm or become violent. i cannot think of a scenario that would trigger a violent reaction from me. i dont believe in violence. law enforcement exists to protect citizens. i would never kill another human being. i would never hit another human being. i dont believe violence can solve solutions. i am a civil pacifist who follows the social norms. i would never under any circumstance harm another human being. in my opinion,violence is ignorant, futile and worthless. i believe in the contrary---non-violent pacifism
You can't think of a scenario that would trigger a violent reaction from you, including your wife about to be killed by an attacker. Instead, you would stand by and let your wife be killed when you could have saved her from an attacker because you wouldn't kill to protect her. If you have young children I want you to go and tell them that if an intruder breaks into your home and threatens them that you won't do anything to protect them.

That's disgusting. I have no respect for such a belief, or for anyone who would let a loved one be killed because they wouldn't use violence to protect them.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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i am happy. i do not believe in violence. if i had a problem, i would inform law enforcement. i would never, under any circumstance, take justice into my own hands. i do not believe in breaking the law nor do i believe in vigilantism

i am happy and content as a pacifist. i do not share your philosophy. violence is the epitome of ignorance and stupidity.
I was pretty much with you until you started saying these kinds of things. You haven't said whether you're married and have children or not. But, I believe it is your God-given duty to protect them. Taking revenge on someone after the fact may be a different matter, but you can't possibly believe that God would want you to stand by and not do whatever it was in your power to do to defend your loved ones, even if it included harming or killing someone who was in the act of attacking them. Please, for the sake of those of us who think you sound like a very admirable person in many ways, tell us that you wouldn't go to such an extreme as you're implying.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 06:57 PM
 
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I was pretty much with you until you started saying these kinds of things. You haven't said whether you're married and have children or not. But, I believe it is your God-given duty to protect them. Taking revenge on someone after the fact may be a different matter, but you can't possibly believe that God would want you to stand by and not do whatever it was in your power to do to defend your loved ones, even if it included harming or killing someone who was in the act of attacking them. Please, for the sake of those of us who think you sound like a very admirable person in many ways, tell us that you wouldn't go to such an extreme as you're implying.
The purist stance sounds to me like pure virtue signaling with no substance behind it. His profile is closed so we have no idea what his age is or what his life circumstances are so they very well could be purely hypothetical and idealistic with no tinge of pragmatism.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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The purist stance sounds to me like pure virtue signaling with no substance behind it. His profile is closed so we have no idea what his age is or what his life circumstances are so they very well could be purely hypothetical and idealistic with no tinge of pragmatism.
Closed profiles make me distrustful. On the other hand, spiros7's profile isn't closed. It just doesn't give us much to go on.
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