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Old 10-22-2018, 07:49 PM
 
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You can't think of a scenario that would trigger a violent reaction from you, including your wife about to be killed by an attacker. Instead, you would stand by and let your wife be killed when you could have saved her from an attacker because you wouldn't kill to protect her. If you have young children I want you to go and tell them that if an intruder breaks into your home and threatens them that you won't do anything to protect them.

That's disgusting. I have no respect for such a belief, or for anyone who would let a loved one be killed because they wouldn't use violence to protect them.

i follow the social norms and civil laws; therefore, I would not ---under any circumstance---kill or harm another human being. i am a pacifist---not a delusional person experiencing a fad. furthermore, i would raise my kids to adhere to pacifism. i am a practical person who has lived in many metro areas throughout america. i adhere to pacifism. i adhere to non-violence. i think pacifism is not only practical , but would greatly benefit society and cities throughout america.

 
Old 10-22-2018, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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i follow the social norms and civil laws; therefore, I would not ---under any circumstance---kill or harm another human being. i am a pacifist---not a delusional person experiencing a fad. furthermore, i would raise my kids to adhere to pacifism. i am a practical person who has lived in many metro areas throughout america. i adhere to pacifism
I imagine you do realize how difficult it is for any of us to take you at your word that you would watch your children die at someone else's hands without doing something to stop it. It's just just unbelievable and, to be perfectly honest, not admirable in the slightest. I mean I am positively dumbfounded.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 07:59 PM
 
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Closed profiles make me distrustful. On the other hand, spiros7's profile isn't closed. It just doesn't give us much to go on.
I'm with you on that.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 08:01 PM
 
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You can't think of a scenario that would trigger a violent reaction from you, including your wife about to be killed by an attacker. Instead, you would stand by and let your wife be killed when you could have saved her from an attacker because you wouldn't kill to protect her. If you have young children I want you to go and tell them that if an intruder breaks into your home and threatens them that you won't do anything to protect them.

That's disgusting. I have no respect for such a belief, or for anyone who would let a loved one be killed because they wouldn't use violence to protect them.

i follow the social norms and civil laws; therefore, I would not ---under any circumstance---kill or harm a human being. i am a pacifist---not a delusional person experiencing a fad. furthermore, i would raise my kids to adhere to pacifism. i am a practical person who has lived in many metro areas throughout america. i adhere to pacifism .

pacifism is not only practical, but would greatly benefit society.

a person cannot be bad or delusional for teaching their hypothetical chidren to adhere to pacifism

a person cannot be bad or delusional for abstaining from violence.

i believe the contrary---non-violent pacifism

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Old 10-22-2018, 08:02 PM
 
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I imagine you do realize how difficult it is for any of us to take you at your word that you would watch your children die at someone else's hands without doing something to stop it. It's just just unbelievable and, to be perfectly honest, not admirable in the slightest. I mean I am positively dumbfounded.
Ditto! But I am suspicious of his sincerity. I suspect he has no such family or loved ones to protect. It is all hypothetical. I could be wrong.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 08:03 PM
 
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i am not in favor of imposing my beliefs on anothers faith because that would signify that my advocation of interfaith was indeed a lie. as sermoned on the mount, i do not judge or condemn others. i do believe, however, that faith and secular communities can join together as interfaith advocates to ensure, protect and promote the better good . i dont wish to merge beliefs. i do, however, think it is good to merge ideas to advocate for the good of humanity.
If you didn't protect your family, then you are imposing your beliefs upon them.
It's one thing to not protect yourself, and another to watch as the innocent suffer.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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pacifism is not only practical, but would greatly benefit society.
I'm going to have to ask you to explain to me how society would benefit by any of us standing by and watching an innocent person be murdered when we could do something to stop it.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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i follow the social norms and civil laws; therefore, I would not ---under any circumstance---kill or harm another human being. i am a pacifist---not a delusional person experiencing a fad. furthermore, i would raise my kids to adhere to pacifism. i am a practical person who has lived in many metro areas throughout america. i adhere to pacifism .

pacifism is not only practical, but would greatly benefit society.
Tell that to a couple 15 year old girls being raped in an alley?
 
Old 10-22-2018, 08:14 PM
 
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If you didn't protect your family, then you are imposing your beliefs upon them.
It's one thing to not protect yourself, and another to watch as the innocent suffer.

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I'm going to have to ask you to explain to me how society would benefit by any of us standing by and watching an innocent person be murdered when we could do something to stop it.
He can NOT.
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Tell that to a couple 15-year-old girls being raped in an alley?
Either he is devoid of empathy or it is all just hypothetical to him.
 
Old 10-22-2018, 08:16 PM
 
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If you didn't protect your family, then you are imposing your beliefs upon them.
It's one thing to not protect yourself, and another to watch as the innocent suffer.

my hypothetical family would consist of pacifist because they would be taught pacifism. pacifism is not impractical. what is wrong with being the contrary? a pacifist cannot teach their kid to adhere to pacifism? why?

as a pacifist, i respect and appreciate the armed forces who bravely assure our constituional freedom.
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