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Old 10-22-2018, 08:38 PM
 
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Is prayer to saints / Mary biblical?


"It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Catholics do not pray TO saints or Mary, but rather that Catholics can ask saints or Mary to pray FOR them"




Thoughts? I never had a good answer for this one until I found this on Got questions.


https://www.gotquestions.org/prayer-saints-Mary.html

"There is absolutely no basis or need to pray to anyone other than God alone. There is no basis for asking those who are in heaven to pray for us. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. No one in heaven has any greater access to God's throne than we do through prayer "
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Old 10-22-2018, 08:47 PM
 
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It's never been claimed to be directly biblical by the RCC, as far as I know, but then the RCC is not a sola scriptura church so being biblical is a moot point. Praying to saints is part of the Tradition.
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Old 10-22-2018, 09:38 PM
 
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It's never been claimed to be directly biblical by the RCC, as far as I know, but then the RCC is not a sola scriptura church so being biblical is a moot point. Praying to saints is part of the Tradition.

That makes sense, thanks.
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Old 10-23-2018, 02:55 AM
 
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Comes from a prophetic Word of God , which the vision of the virgin gave to Catherine Laboure which the virgin said to make a Miraculous medal which the vision showed and the vision said ``O Mary , conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee``
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:59 AM
 
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It is idolatrous and wrong.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 - There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.

1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
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Old 10-23-2018, 09:23 AM
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It is idolatrous and wrong.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 - There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.

1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
I'm going to pray to Mary, St. Philomena, Aphrodite, and Jude The Obscure that the veil of dogma that blinds you be lifted forever and ever. Amen.

You're welcome.
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Old 10-23-2018, 09:29 AM
 
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It is idolatrous and wrong.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 - There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.

1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
So, is it "idolatrous and wrong" to ask ANYone to pray for you? Is God the God of the living or the dead?
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Old 10-23-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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Is prayer to saints / Mary biblical?


"It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Catholics do not pray TO saints or Mary, but rather that Catholics can ask saints or Mary to pray FOR them"




Thoughts? I never had a good answer for this one until I found this on Got questions.


https://www.gotquestions.org/prayer-saints-Mary.html

"There is absolutely no basis or need to pray to anyone other than God alone. There is no basis for asking those who are in heaven to pray for us. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. No one in heaven has any greater access to God's throne than we do through prayer "
My problem with Catholic theology in this regard is that when people ask the saints or Mary to pray FOR them, there is the clear assumption that the saints and Mary can actually hear them make this request. I don't think there is any reason to believe that they can.

I've heard Catholics say, "Well, if you wanted a friend or family member to pray for you, you'd ask them to, right? You wouldn't be praying to them, but you'd simply be requesting their prayers on your behalf." Well, it's not the same thing at all! If I wanted someone to pray for me, I wouldn't just direct my thoughts to that person and request that they pray for me, either verbally or non-verbally. I'd have to pick up the phone, text or email them or talk to them in person. Otherwise, I wouldn't expect them to even know that I needed their prayers.

How is it that when certain people die, they are given supernatural powers enabling them to hear the unspoken desires of the living? I don't believe they are, even if they have been granted "sainthood." And, as good a woman as Jesus' mother obviously must have been, I don't see her as being divine in any way or able to do anything now that any other deceased human being can do.

As far as I'm concerned, we're supposed to pray directly to God. Period.
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Old 10-23-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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It is idolatrous and wrong.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 - There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.

1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
Ive always thought it was interesting it specifically mentions these things, like witchcraft, calling up the dead, conjuring spells, etc...

Why are any of these things even possible in the first place?
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Old 10-23-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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Requests made to dead Saints have been known to have been answered. For example, a request made to the deceased St. Damien of Molokai. It was a Hawaiian lady who got healed of an incurable disease.
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